So I have always wondered this and would like some insight. G-d created the world in seven days (symbolically) and he may have used evolution to create. The thing that I can't seem to understand is the scenario with Adam and Eve. We all have heard the story of them eating the forbidden apple, that Satan tempted them to do, and then sin was 'born.'

Ok, so whether you believe in the word 'sin,' or not, lets just discuss this at a general meaning. So was sin really born? From what? G-d perhaps or some other cosmic fixation that goes back to G-d? Would that then make G-d imperfect since He created something that made Him have to send His Son to die for the "sins," that He created? This just doesn't make sense. Regardless if he is imperfect or not, I still choose to believe in G-d, who is more perfect than I can ever be. Your thoughts anyone?

Man created sin to control the masses, making the sheep believe that they must adhere to the rules of the church and God in order to be rewarded in this life and the afterlife.

The point of the story is that you're a sinner and I'm a sinner, everybody's a sinner and we've got to get on our knees and suck God's dick until he blows a wad of forgiveness. Or something like that.

(April 24, 2013 at 2:46 pm)Maelstrom Wrote: Man created sin to control the masses, making the sheep believe that they must adhere to the rules of the church and God in order to be rewarded in this life and the afterlife.

So Adam controlled a church of a wife and 2 kids? If man created sin, than that makes us imperfect gods right?

(April 24, 2013 at 2:49 pm)TosinAsLeader Wrote: So Adam controlled a church of a wife and 2 kids?
If man created sin, than that makes us imperfect gods right?

Considering that you believe in a literal Adam and Eve, I can understand how you would have trouble differentiating between your faith and the fact that the Bible was written by fallible men who were not divinely inspired.

Man created the concept of sin. In reality, there is no such thing as sin.

There is good and bad, morality, guilty consciences, but sin and divine atonement are concepts created merely to control the masses.

I suppose it would be useful to explore the limits of the term (or our usage of it) before waffling on over it. Can something be "wrong" without being "sinful"? Can something be "right" while simultaneously being "sinful"?

I've been having this conversation on and off today, and there's really two paths one can take with this sin thing: either god designed it when he was doing the whole universe creation thing- making him either real fucked up or incompetent- or it happened by accident or satanic design- making him... well, pretty much one or the other, again .

Either way, I encourage you to keep questioning like you are, that's a good sign. Don't give religious ideas a free pass just because you believe in them, keep being intellectually honest. You seem pretty grounded, so I don't necessarily want to be mean to you, but I find your reasoning for believing in god flawed; just because you can envision a being that's better than you doesn't entail that this being existed. Nor do I think you can choose your beliefs, but that's a whole separate kettle of fish.

Welcome, regardless. You should make an introductory thread so we can all say hi, before you lower yourself into the shark tank like you have. It's the only uniformly nice reaction you're likely to get.

Sin is simply the disease that Christians try to convince you that you have, so they can then sell you the cure(Christianity).

(April 24, 2013 at 2:44 pm)TosinAsLeader Wrote: Regardless if he is imperfect or not, I still choose to believe in G-d, who is more perfect than I can ever be. Your thoughts anyone?

Based on that reasoning, Bo Jackson is probably better qualified to be god.

"Sin from my lips? O trespass sweetly urg'd!
Give me my sin again."

[puckers up]