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Creation and G-d
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RE: Creation and G-d
(April 24, 2013 at 2:44 pm)TosinAsLeader Wrote: Ok, so whether you believe in the word 'sin,' or not, lets just discuss this at a general meaning. So was sin really born? From what? G-d perhaps or some other cosmic fixation that goes back to G-d? Would that then make G-d imperfect since He created something that made Him have to send His Son to die for the "sins," that He created? This just doesn't make sense.

Dude relax, it's all a part of his divine plan Wink
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#12
RE: Creation and G-d
(April 24, 2013 at 2:44 pm)TosinAsLeader Wrote: So I have always wondered this and would like some insight. G-d created the world in seven days (symbolically) and he may have used evolution to create. The thing that I can't seem to understand is the scenario with Adam and Eve. We all have heard the story of them eating the forbidden apple, that Satan tempted them to do, and then sin was 'born.'

Ok, so whether you believe in the word 'sin,' or not, lets just discuss this at a general meaning. So was sin really born? From what? G-d perhaps or some other cosmic fixation that goes back to G-d? Would that then make G-d imperfect since He created something that made Him have to send His Son to die for the "sins," that He created? This just doesn't make sense. Regardless if he is imperfect or not, I still choose to believe in G-d, who is more perfect than I can ever be. Your thoughts anyone?

Here's one thought: why the f-k don't you sp-ll out the na-m of the deity you b-lieve in?

Here's another one: although you christians like to think you coined the term, "sin" originated long before the bible was written -

Quote:Then there is this ancient Mesopotamian prayer, which predates not only Christianity and Islam but also Judaism:
“O my god, who art angry, accept my prayer; O my goddess, who art angry, receive my supplication… Let my sins be forgiven, let my transgressions be blotted out. Let the blah blah blah...”

If one did not know, he could easily think that it came from one of the books of the Bible.

A strong sense of the supplicant’s sinfulness is palpably evident here. This is a very Christian sentiment indeed, but – as the above excerpt shows – it did not originate with Christianity. The prayer was written more than two thousand years before Christ began preaching on the shores of the Sea of Galilee.
http://communities.washingtontimes.com/n...invention/
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#13
RE: Creation and G-d
(April 24, 2013 at 2:56 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Sin is simply the disease that Christians try to convince you that you have, so they can then sell you the cure(Christianity).

Sin came before Christianity, it's not something we made up, because of sin Christianity became necessary. Christianity is not for sale, it's a free gift that to many reject, how crazy is that.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#14
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Yeah, gee, crazy to reject a bullshit religion that globbed onto so many other bullshit religions.
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RE: Creation and G-d
(April 24, 2013 at 8:59 pm)Godschild Wrote:
(April 24, 2013 at 2:56 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Sin is simply the disease that Christians try to convince you that you have, so they can then sell you the cure(Christianity).

Sin came before Christianity, it's not something we made up, because of sin Christianity became necessary. Christianity is not for sale, it's a free gift that to many reject, how crazy is that.
Christianity is about as "necessary" as are dragon hunters.
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#16
RE: Creation and G-d
Whoah now...whether or not some part of the christian cult were an accurate representation of reality I couldn't care less....but dragon hunters...surely we need at least one of those guys. I mean, if theres any chance whatsoever that there's a fucking dragon out there I want -at least somebody- looking for the damned thing.....hell, even if there isn't I still want somebody out there looking for one......

(I mean, I won't because that shit is ridiculous....but somebody has to take one for the team)
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RE: Creation and G-d
(April 24, 2013 at 9:07 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Whoah now...whether or not some part of the christian cult were an accurate representation of reality I couldn't care less....but dragon hunters...surely we need at least one of those guys. I mean, if theres any chance whatsoever that there's a fucking dragon out there I want -at least somebody- looking for the damned thing.....hell, even if there isn't I still want somebody out there looking for one......

(I mean, I won't because that shit is ridiculous....but somebody has to take one for the team)

Here ya go

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#18
RE: Creation and G-d
(April 24, 2013 at 9:07 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Whoah now...whether or not some part of the christian cult were an accurate representation of reality I couldn't care less....but dragon hunters...surely we need at least one of those guys. I mean, if theres any chance whatsoever that there's a fucking dragon out there I want -at least somebody- looking for the damned thing.....hell, even if there isn't I still want somebody out there looking for one......

(I mean, I won't because that shit is ridiculous....but somebody has to take one for the team)

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#19
RE: Creation and G-d
If a good being creates free will for his creatures, he has to create a way for them to disobey him (sin). Man has no free will unless he has the option to turn against God (sin). Then, God used Jesus Christ to get us back on track, even though we still have the option to go against God (sin).

(April 24, 2013 at 9:04 pm)Strongbad Wrote:
(April 24, 2013 at 8:59 pm)Godschild Wrote: Sin came before Christianity, it's not something we made up, because of sin Christianity became necessary. Christianity is not for sale, it's a free gift that to many reject, how crazy is that.
Christianity is about as "necessary" as are dragon hunters.
Excuse me, are you going to make an argument or just bag on Christianity because you can't prove him wrong?

(April 24, 2013 at 2:46 pm)Maelstrom Wrote: Man created sin to control the masses, making the sheep believe that they must adhere to the rules of the church and God in order to be rewarded in this life and the afterlife.

If man created sin, that would mean that, prior to the invention, what people did was perfectly moral. Usually what we recognize as sin is pretty obvious to anyone, like being a jerk. So, if man could label being a jerk as 'sin' and get people to stop it, wouldn't that be a good thing in itself? Even though that's not necessarily the case.
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#20
RE: Creation and G-d
(April 25, 2013 at 2:15 am)Consilius Wrote: If man created sin, that would mean that, prior to the invention, what people did was perfectly moral.

Religion does not hold a monopoly on morality. Morality existed before biblical law.
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