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Creationists do not make sense
#41
RE: Creationists do not make sense
Human race is the most striking example of evolution in my opinion, not in terms of evolutionary origins, but for explaining the effects of subtle change over time:

A single species separated geographically from it's self, each geographical location was different enough to set different optimal mutations amongst the populous resulting in a divergence from the original population into several unique populations.

Skin color is the easiest one to notice and explain; Humans came out of the jungle and into Africa as very dark skinned people. Driven by the lack of resources, harsh climate and drought a group started to move north into Asia and Europe. During the migration the newly separated population found conditions very different, the sun was less intense in the north and as such it was harder for the dark skinned population to acquire the nutrients they needed from the sun as darker skin has lower absorption rates but requires longer exposure, this meant that it was beneficial for the population to develop a slightly lighter skinned population in order to better absorb the nutrients.

As the population continued north there was at some point a divergence between Europe and Asia, this lead to another shift in necessary skin color, lighter for the population heading into the much cooler Europe and darker for the population heading into the comparatively warmer Asia. This split is believed to have happened around Egypt/Iraq and saw one population going north, another east and one that stayed in place. The eastern travelling population split again around Pakistan, heading both down into India and east into China. The Indian population, being once again in a much warmer condition experienced re-darkening of the skin, the Chinese population ended up eventually lighter because of this. From china the to-be Asians split, a population remaining and some moving down into the warmer south-east Asia and once again developing darker skin color. The population heading into Europe became gradually lighter and lighter as they headed continually towards a colder environment. As well as skin color many other changes were noticed, such as lactose intolerance amongst the Asians.

Now if we stop at this point and hypothesize a world in which the human population was never reunited, how much different would they have to become before the Europeans and Asians were classified as different sub-species of African humans? How much longer would they have to develop increasingly separate genetic traits before the sub-species were classified as a new species all together? 100,000 years? 250,000 years? One thing is certain, had things continued it would only be a matter of time before the populations grew so different that you would not be able to declare them the same species.
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#42
RE: Creationists do not make sense



Because these two humans got off that Ark 4000 years ago, that means that 1.5 million people would have to have been born every year on average... I really hope that i don't need to explain how extremely unfeasible the math is here....
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#43
RE: Creationists do not make sense
*sighs* you're never gonna give up on that ignorant dating system are you LOL Tongue
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#44
RE: Creationists do not make sense
(November 30, 2009 at 10:59 am)fr0d0 Wrote: *sighs* you're never gonna give up on that ignorant dating system are you LOL Tongue

I'm arguing against a self-admitted literalist Fr0d0. If you want to post up your own line of events then i'll gladly blow holes in that too.
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#45
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I think - and I sure fucking hope!! - that fr0d0 was joking.

EvF
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#46
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Where's Adrian? I need some math done.

If two people could have maximum one child every 9 months and each child could have a child after 15 years and each person died after 70 years years how long would it take to reach 6 billion individuals?
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#47
RE: Creationists do not make sense
(November 30, 2009 at 11:09 am)theVOID Wrote: I'm arguing against a self-admitted literalist Fr0d0.

My apologies ..I forgot
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#48
RE: Creationists do not make sense
(November 30, 2009 at 11:30 am)theVOID Wrote: Where's Adrian? I need some math done.

If two people could have maximum one child every 9 months and each child could have a child after 15 years and each person died after 70 years years how long would it take to reach 6 billion individuals?
I'll write a program.
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#49
RE: Creationists do not make sense
(November 15, 2009 at 2:57 pm)rjh4 Wrote: If such gradual changes and transitional forms are so clear in the fossil record, I wonder why Niles Eldredge and Stephen Jay Gould felt the need to publish a paper developing the theory of punctuated equilibrium. Thinking

Maybe, just like much of the world, the process is too complicated for a lay person to fully understand? Just a thought. Thinking

(November 15, 2009 at 2:57 pm)rjh4 Wrote:
(November 14, 2009 at 6:36 pm)Tiberius Wrote: Numerous creationists have either lied, misinterpreted, or ignored results to bolster their beliefs.

Are you suggesting that no evolutionary scientist has done this to bolster their beliefs/position?

Ad hominem.

See when creationists lie, we can prove it. A famous example is in "Of pandas and people" when they swapped the word creationist with intelligent design proponents and fucked up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Of_Pandas_a...ntsists.22

Unless you can back up your implication that scientists are lying to bolster their beliefs, you rebuke is laughable. Scientists don't have an ideological belief in evolution, they have the facts. The evidence bolsters the theory far better than any lie could. And the scientific community is huge, they're constantly criticizing each other to find out the truth. In fact, when there has been a hoax, it's the scientists that worked to expose it. I.e. Piltdown man. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piltdown_Man
"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." Benjamin Franklin

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#50
RE: Creationists do not make sense
Nice Eilonnwy, and might i add:

Science cannot thrive on anything less than the best possible assumption. Science is measured by the progress it makes and the developments it delivers, it is impossible for science to develop on falsities and the people who fund science depend absolutely on these developments for their incomes and profits and the scientists will earn funding with nothing but the most accurate possible descriptions. Science cannot survive on ideology like religion can, it demands results for profits which absolutely cannot happen unless you are dealing with the truth.

Evolution is the foundation for modern biology, that includes a great deal of medicine that saves lives every day, such results would be absolutely impossible with falsities and bad science is absolutely non-beneficial. It is overwhelmingly in the best interest of science and all scientists to be as close to the truth as possible.

Examine for one minuet if you will, the progress that has come from science compared to religion over the last 2000 years; it is overwhelmingly in favor of science! From medicine to electronics to machines to clothing, food production, housing, communication, information and the like, science has given us more in the last 200 years than religion has in 2000 years.

Science benefits from the truth alone, fiction has absolutely no benefit in developing technology.
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