(May 11, 2013 at 6:00 pm)TosinAsLeader Wrote:

(May 10, 2013 at 4:05 pm)Texas Sailor Wrote: Of something I believe in without a good reason and doesn't stem from some direct verifiable interaction and experience (a good reason to believe something).

um, the grass is green.

I work with F-18 weapons systems from time to time. There are times that I have to rotate aramament switches from safe to unsafe. If the switch is safe...it is "green". If it is unsafe, it is black and yellow and striped. When I rotate a switch to safe, and turn the system on, there are ZERO negative side effects...wheeewww. The color that is akin to grass...Green, is akin to the armament over-ride switch in safe mode. The effects of the switch (among countless other examples) confirm that the color I see, is the color of the object in question...grass. So...yeah, I've got good reasons to believe the grass is green. Keep in mind, I said give me an example of something I don't have A GOOD REASON to believe something...That GOOD REASON should correlate with reality and truth. It took you 2 days to come with grass being green...would you like to try for something else?

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(May 12, 2013 at 12:22 am)Texas Sailor Wrote:

(May 11, 2013 at 6:00 pm)TosinAsLeader Wrote: um, the grass is green.

I work with F-18 weapons systems from time to time. There are times that I have to rotate aramament switches from safe to unsafe. If the switch is safe...it is "green". If it is unsafe, it is black and yellow and striped. When I rotate a switch to safe, and turn the system on, there are ZERO negative side effects...wheeewww. The color that is akin to grass...Green, is akin to the armament over-ride switch in safe mode. The effects of the switch (among countless other examples) confirm that the color I see, is the color of the object in question...grass. So...yeah, I've got good reasons to believe the grass is green. Keep in mind, I said give me an example of something I don't have A GOOD REASON to believe something...That GOOD REASON should correlate with reality and truth. It took you 2 days to come with grass being green...would you like to try for something else?

By the way...You learn "green" before you begin to associate other things as "being green"...The grass sharing "green-ness" would be a latter conclusion. Are you going to ask me if I have a good reason for believing that 2+2=4 after this...or will I have to describe a situation that required me to tally 4 objects as a child, and was required to learn the words to articulate such a process accurately to society?

(May 1, 2013 at 10:25 am)TosinAsLeader Wrote: Whether your an atheist or agnostic etc, what led you to what you believe in today? Also, why do you believe in what you believe in?

The star in the east lead me to Atheism. Lucky it did... little baby couldn't take care of itself

So I'm Atheism's adopted mommy

(May 11, 2013 at 6:03 pm)Maelstrom Wrote:

(May 11, 2013 at 6:00 pm)TosinAsLeader Wrote: um, the grass is green.

Not really. The grass, like all things in the world, is colorless. Our eyes simply perceive colors depending upon how light reflects off objects.

As a point of elaboration. The chlorophyll function in stage 1 photosynthesis (the light reaction) is such that wavelengths of light corresponding to what our color receptors perceive as red and blue are captured - absorbed- as the initiating process which is concentrated in the center of the chlorophyll molecule - the porphyrin ring. This particular range of wavelengths (beta carotene absorbs a slightly different range) is useful to the cell because it is available to the cell (being mainly comprised of carbon and nitrogen, with a chewy magnesium center) as a means of exciting electrons within the cell generating energy, which will later be stored as ATP (adenosine triphosphate) to be consumed during stage 2 photosynthesis, the dark reaction.

None of the parties involved are actually "green" "red" or "blue" -not the plant, not the light- as has already been mentioned. It's simply that when we look at a plant the wavelengths of light that we would -call- red and blue have been consumed. They are not available to be viewed any longer - and so our color receptors do not detect that wavelength-and we confidently state that the grass...is green ( the remainder of the spectrum, due to our being trichromats).

Perhaps amusingly, it's not really the case that light is any given color, but more that our biology has determined that the ability to differentiate between different wavelengths of light is useful. Plants lack this ability, by the way (the ability to differentiate - though they are capable of detection and orientation), but plug along anyway doing something we can currently only dream of. So the usefulness of this ability is clearly situation and species dependent.

(start a seedling in a shoebox and see what color it is, by the way)

Was raised Christian, but around ten years ago thought it was BS and now don't care two hoots about religion.