(May 13, 2013 at 5:00 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(May 12, 2013 at 5:16 pm)pocaracas Wrote: The obvious conclusion is that the whole myth was conjured up by semi-nomadic inhabitants of a middle-eastern area somewhere between the Jordan and Mesopotamia.
The god was modeled on some king, the garden modeled on some great garden of the time... wasn't there such a thing in the list of the seven wonders of the ancient world?
The fall was modeled on the fall of someone who was made to dwell in that garden, perhaps...

Seems will need some proof of you argument.

It's a logical argument... requires no proof, according to your pals on this forum... you know them? the likes of fr0d0 and such...

(May 13, 2013 at 5:00 pm)Godschild Wrote: I did not concede

All these concessions are inferred by your position:

Quote: 1) because the scriptures tell us God does not tempt, you want me to agree with you so bad you will lie, sad bud, very sad.

You concede that God created the tree of knowledge and forbid partaking, therefore, god created temptation.

Get with the program, dude.

Quote:I did not concede 2) God gave Adam and Eve knowledge of right and wrong, if He had not then he Could not have given them a rule, He is omniscient, you again tell a lie to make it seem I agree with you, sad.

The tree itself is the knowledge of good and evil. Right is good. Wrong is evil. Do you disagree?

The story itself woud have us believe that god's only desire for humans was that they remain ignorant of the difference between these elements forever.

Quote:I did not concede 3) God did allow Satan to come into the presence of Adam and Eve....

You are contradicting yourself. You are saying you didn't concede while admitting you conceded this point at the same time.

Quote:Being that I did not concede anything to you, then your conclusions are just as full of useless info as your comments are.

I never said you conceded them to me. I simply said that you made these concessions, and you did.

Further more, of course you conceded these points, because they are irrefutable.

God did:

1 Create temptation
2 Restrict his creation from knowing right from wrong
3 Place a harmful influence in his creations path

Irrefutable points. Simple as that.

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(May 12, 2013 at 5:16 pm)pocaracas Wrote: The obvious conclusion is that the whole myth was conjured up by semi-nomadic inhabitants of a middle-eastern area somewhere between the Jordan and Mesopotamia.
The god was modeled on some king, the garden modeled on some great garden of the time... wasn't there such a thing in the list of the seven wonders of the ancient world?
The fall was modeled on the fall of someone who was made to dwell in that garden, perhaps...

It certainly is a myth, I'm merely addressing the dynamics of the myth.

(May 13, 2013 at 5:34 pm)pocaracas Wrote:

(May 13, 2013 at 5:00 pm)Godschild Wrote: Seems will need some proof of you argument.

It's a logical argument... requires no proof, according to your pals on this forum... you know them? the likes of fr0d0 and such...

It's an empty argument out of an empty mind. Thus proof is required.

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(May 13, 2013 at 5:00 pm)Godschild Wrote: I did not concede

smax Wrote:All these concessions are inferred by your position:

Only in your wildest dreams, I infer nothing.

GC Wrote:1) because the scriptures tell us God does not tempt, you want me to agree with you so bad you will lie, sad bud, very sad.

smax Wrote:You concede that God created the tree of knowledge and forbid partaking, therefore, god created temptation.

Get with the program, dude.

Listen bud, they did not consider the tree until Satan talked to them, and they may every well have been in the Garden for hundreds of years.

GC Wrote:I did not concede 2) God gave Adam and Eve knowledge of right and wrong, if He had not then he Could not have given them a rule, He is omniscient, you again tell a lie to make it seem I agree with you, sad.

smax Wrote:The tree itself is the knowledge of good and evil. Right is good. Wrong is evil. Do you disagree?

Yes.

smax Wrote:The story itself woud have us believe that god's only desire for humans was that they remain ignorant of the difference between these elements forever.

No.

GC Wrote:I did not concede 3) God did allow Satan to come into the presence of Adam and Eve....

smax Wrote:You are contradicting yourself. You are saying you didn't concede while admitting you conceded this point at the same time.

You are losing it, there is no contradiction.

GC Wrote:Being that I did not concede anything to you, then your conclusions are just as full of useless info as your comments are.

smax Wrote:I never said you conceded them to me. I simply said that you made these concessions, and you did.

I conceded nothing, do you have a problem with understanding others.

smax Wrote:Further more, of course you conceded these points, because they are irrefutable.

God did:

1 Create temptation
2 Restrict his creation from knowing right from wrong
3 Place a harmful influence in his creations path

Irrefutable points. Simple as that.

Irrefutable now we have a comic in our midst.
Even you could refute those.

(May 14, 2013 at 12:00 am)Godschild Wrote:

(May 13, 2013 at 5:34 pm)pocaracas Wrote: It's a logical argument... requires no proof, according to your pals on this forum... you know them? the likes of fr0d0 and such...

It's an empty argument out of an empty mind. Thus proof is required.

Brilliant!!!
I'll have to remember that one!

GCs master debate strategy:

Yes. No. And because I said so.

Hard to match that.

(May 14, 2013 at 2:25 pm)smax Wrote: GCs master debate strategy:

Yes. No. And because I said so.

Hard to match that.

What! you mean you do it like it thrown back at you.

(May 15, 2013 at 12:35 am)Godschild Wrote:

(May 14, 2013 at 2:25 pm)smax Wrote: GCs master debate strategy:

Yes. No. And because I said so.

Hard to match that.

What! you mean you do it like it thrown back at you.

I assume you meant that I don't like it thrown back at me. And, you are wrong, I love it thrown back at me the way I throw it out, which is logical and reasonable.

At this point, you've basically conceded and contested all points on this subject, which is ridiculous and telling.

But we both know this is a facade for you anyway. You don't really believe in any of this stuff.

(May 15, 2013 at 10:19 am)smax Wrote:

(May 15, 2013 at 12:35 am)Godschild Wrote: What! you mean you do it like it thrown back at you.

I assume you meant that I don't like it thrown back at me. And, you are wrong, I love it thrown back at me the way I throw it out, which is logical and reasonable.

At this point, you've basically conceded and contested all points on this subject, which is ridiculous and telling.

But we both know this is a facade for you anyway. You don't really believe in any of this stuff.

Prove the bold.

(May 15, 2013 at 12:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: Prove the bold.

No problem:

(April 19, 2013 at 1:59 am)Godschild Wrote:

(April 19, 2013 at 1:38 am)smax Wrote: Okay, we'll settle this matter once and for all, right here and right now:

You believe God exists and is actively interested in the human struggle.

I don't.

With that, we can now agree to terms that will settle this difference. You claim to have great confidence in your position that god is active and personal. I am equally confident that neither of those contentions are true.

So, I hereby issue an official challenge. If a personal god exists, and he's active and personal, let him prove your position on this matter by providing some kind of supernatural, yet undeniable proof of his existence and purpose to both you, me, and anyone who's reading this challenge. This proof should be something clearly verifiable, and something that all experiencing parties can discuss on this forum without encountering any significant inconsistencies.

Now we get to find out how strongly you really feel about your position. Because I'm all in. How about you? How's that faith holding up right about now?

Jesus said thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God, who are you that you believe you can demand something from the God of creation. You want proof of God then don't be so lazy and find it as scripture says possible. I'm not going to fall into this little selfish trap that has been tried here numerous times.

I say god is powerless, and you conceded, not with words, but in action.

At any point that you change your mind, let me know. Until then, your belief in god's power has been proven to be ZERO.

ZERO!

(May 15, 2013 at 2:41 pm)smax Wrote:

(May 15, 2013 at 12:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: Prove the bold.

No problem:

(April 19, 2013 at 1:59 am)Godschild Wrote: Jesus said thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God, who are you that you believe you can demand something from the God of creation. You want proof of God then don't be so lazy and find it as scripture says possible. I'm not going to fall into this little selfish trap that has been tried here numerous times.

I say god is powerless, and you conceded, not with words, but in action.

At any point that you change your mind, let me know. Until then, your belief in god's power has been proven to be ZERO.

ZERO!

Dippy, the only thing you have proved is your ignorance. Please try again, if you can.