Quote:lol.. you were citing they didn't treat women right. why should they? as if modern western values are inherently correct. lol..

I am not inherently correct but you were asking me what my prejudices were and I gave you my reasons for them based on what I've seen and heard around me.

dazzn wrote:

Quote:Who says that we need to do so?

Prejudices are part of human nature. It's only contemporary morals that cite they are wrong. Go tell people 200 years ago that prejudice is wrong, and see what they say lol..

I say I need to do so. Part of being human is that we can analyze our nature more critically than other animals and make decisions from what we learn. It might be natural to make judgments about people before we meet them, but I make the decision to not act upon them and consider that they could very well be great. Interacting with several people that contradict my previous assumptions could make it natural for me to not think like that naturally anymore. If that makes sense. I like the idea.

(May 27, 2013 at 11:22 am)Ivy Wrote: dazzn wrote:

Quote:Who says that we need to do so?

Prejudices are part of human nature. It's only contemporary morals that cite they are wrong. Go tell people 200 years ago that prejudice is wrong, and see what they say lol..

I say I need to do so. Part of being human is that we can analyze our nature more critically than other animals and make decisions from what we learn. It might be natural to make judgments about people before we meet them, but I make the decision to not act upon them and consider that they could very well be great. Interacting with several people that contradict my previous assumptions could make it natural for me to not think like that naturally anymore. If that makes sense. I like the idea.

"animals" can learn also. so what? your point isn't fully valid.

Quote:Do you have any prejudices?

Yes I do, people, they bother me.
I try to avoid them but they're everywhere.

I'm predudiced against flamebait threads.

dazzn wrote:

Quote: "animals" can learn also. so what? your point isn't fully valid.

Yes, we can. I said, "...we can analyze our nature more critically than other animals and make decisions from what we learn."

I know other animals can learn. My puppies have learned that little dirt area is potty area. What is great about the way we function is that we can rationalize, investigate, experiment, analyze in a whole other level. My puppies learned that their little bed areas are comfy so they go there to sleep. Humans learned how to make whole cities with buildings, businesses, homes, schools, etc. It's about what we do with new information. I can't remember the exact words or who said them, but someone said something to the effect of, "When the facts change, I change my mind." Well, I change my mind about white people. I know now that not all of them hate me (and I still know some do). If I would have judged them all as racists, but still approached them in an effort to allow room for possibility of being mistaken, I would not be sorry. I'd be proud of myself. But for so many years I stuck to people I felt comfortable with and did not allow myself to interact with whites (I didn't even realize it). I am sorry because I acted upon ignorant bias while judging them for doing the same exact thing to me.

(May 27, 2013 at 12:49 pm)Ivy Wrote: dazzn wrote:

Quote: "animals" can learn also. so what? your point isn't fully valid.

Yes, we can. I said, "...we can analyze our nature more critically than other animals and make decisions from what we learn."

I know other animals can learn. My puppies have learned that little dirt area is potty area. What is great about the way we function is that we can rationalize, investigate, experiment, analyze in a whole other level. My puppies learned that their little bed areas are comfy so they go there to sleep. Humans learned how to make whole cities with buildings, businesses, homes, schools, etc. It's about what we do with new information. I can't remember the exact words or who said them, but someone said something to the effect of, "When the facts change, I change my mind." Well, I change my mind about white people. I know now that not all of them hate me (and I still know some do). If I would have judged them all as racists, but still approached them in an effort to allow room for possibility of being mistaken, I would not be sorry. I'd be proud of myself. But for so many years I stuck to people I felt comfortable with and did not allow myself to interact with whites (I didn't even realize it). I am sorry because I acted upon ignorant bias while judging them for doing the same exact thing to me.

A person who denies facts is abnormal.

that's not my elemental point though. there is nothing wrong with prejudice beyond what "modern" society says.

(May 27, 2013 at 1:00 pm)dazzn Wrote: A person who denies facts is abnormal.

that's not my elemental point though. there is nothing wrong with prejudice beyond what "modern" society says.

Define "modern"? I.E. Last 100 years? 2000?

30 years.

Now define "prejudice" pls.