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RE: Jesus should be put back in the government!
December 22, 2009 at 4:40 pm
Well, my holy spirit just debunked himself and got a real blistering headache as a result. What do I do? Tonight there's that bible on my bedside in need for some metaphorical allegorical interpretation to weed the literal crap from its pages.
"I'm like a rabbit suddenly trapped, in the blinding headlights of vacuous crap" - Tim Minchin in "Storm"
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RE: Jesus should be put back in the government!
December 22, 2009 at 5:15 pm
You mean the bible was ment for reading? All this time I thought it was toilet paper. A very cheap and uncomfortable toilet paper filled with childrens fairytale stories in them.
You telling me people actually read and BELIEVE the shit in there? Oh Frodo's god
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RE: Jesus should be put back in the government!
December 23, 2009 at 7:52 am
How does a believer know that the Holy Spirit is guiding them and it's not just Satan in disguise?
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RE: Jesus should be put back in the government!
December 23, 2009 at 11:46 am
Why do you think satan exists? Supposing he does, I'll play along, you couldn't. The "Devil" through examples like job and various scriptures has God using (or allowing as some argue) the devil to tempt man. I see it as a guide personally.
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RE: Jesus should be put back in the government!
December 23, 2009 at 11:51 am
You mean you could not tell the Devil and the Holy Spirit apart?
Well I don't believe in Satan of course... I was just saying that how does a Christian who does believe in Satan and the Holy Spirit, expect to tell the two apart?
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RE: Jesus should be put back in the government!
December 23, 2009 at 1:32 pm
I personally do not believe in neither the biblical god nor its devil since they both come from the same dubious source,namely the bible.
Regarding telling the holy spirit apart from the devil or demon spirits there are two ways that I know of from my ministry days.
One is a gift of the holy spirit himself called discerning of spirits.
1 Corinthians 12:10
To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
The other asks you to test the spirits
1 John 4:1-3
1.Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2.Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3.And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
Pretty simple eh?
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RE: Jesus should be put back in the government!
December 23, 2009 at 3:28 pm
(December 23, 2009 at 2:00 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: (December 23, 2009 at 12:49 pm)tackattack Wrote: I couldn't tell the difference between the Devil's influence and God's influence. Both would act through the holy spirit like a translator.
Couldn't tell at all? Okay that's interesting hmm...
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Ok, let me get this straight...
The bible says that to tell the devil and God, or devil spirits and the holy spirit apart... you need to believe in (put your faith in?) God? Seems like we're back at square one again and kind of... circular reasoning if that's the case hm?
EvF
Yes, that is indeed an interesting point. Supernatural entities pose a real authentication problem. How do believers verify whether the voice in their head is really one or the other? Is there some protocol involving certificates and using encrypting techniques?
Hell no, all could be faked. We are dealing with mighty supernatural entities here that could delude us easily. You could think you were talking to the master of the universe and meanwhile selling your heart to the devil. This means a wise believer might want some verification. So how do we authenticate the bible as the word of the real god. On blind faith? Maybe we could use our innate morals to authenticate it.
Ah, that's right, I have done that already and found enough disturbing things (genocide, child slaughter, condoning of slavery, misogyny) to have more than reasonable doubt about its alleged author.
"I'm like a rabbit suddenly trapped, in the blinding headlights of vacuous crap" - Tim Minchin in "Storm"
Christianity is perfect bullshit, christians are not - Purple Rabbit, honouring CS Lewis
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