(June 22, 2013 at 9:13 am)enrico Wrote:

downbeatplumb Wrote:Science to a large part is the opposite of intuition. Things that you may intuitively think are right are tested by science and are most often proved wrong.

Oh, i did not know that PHYSICAL science can test INTUITIONAL science.
I mean how can something material can test something that is not material?
Whhhhhhhhaaaahh, i propose you for a nobel prize.

He said nothing about testing 'intuitive science' (I cringed even typing that meaningless phrase). He stated that scientists often get intuitions about something they are studying, but there is no way to know if the intuition is correct without testing it. Testing the specific thing they intuited, not intuition itself.

But, as soon as you claim that intuition's effects manifest some way in the physical universe, your claim becomes testable. That's the way reality works.

You make all these claims, then when we insist on evidence for them, you tack on another claim about their untestability. How convenient...

Enrico Wrote:As i already said in previous post not only is a science but is the older science ever as it was taught 7000 years ago by Shiva.

But it can't be demonstrated to be true.

Quote:Sorry to disappoint you but the word science come from the latin and it means KNOWLEDGE, just about any knowledge and therefore is not confined to universal knowledge or the knowledge of your choosing.

Science (from Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge") is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe. In an older and closely related meaning, "science" also refers to a body of knowledge itself, of the type that can be rationally explained and reliably applied.

As soon as you are able to accomplish the above statements in bold regarding your claim of 'intuitive science', you may have something. Until then, you're pretty much talking out of your ass.

Quote:What was true yesterday today is no longer valid and what is valid today tomorrow will end up in the rubbish bin of history because new evidence come up that disproves the old theory.

Nope. The truth does not change. What changes is human understanding.

And what changes human understanding? Demonstrable evidence and reasoned argument, neither of which you seem to be able to produce with regards to 'intuitive science' (Oh, I cringed again).

Quote:On the other hand the entity behind the time and space never change that is why i really prefer the latter

And of course you can support your claim that an entity exists that is 'behind time and space', right...

Quote:Open the tv and see what happen in Turkey and Brazil at the moment.

Better yet, see what is happening in China right now. Capitalism is going strong there. And they have a population 5 times the size of Brazil and Turkey combined.

Quote:The canary syndrome is very hard to give up.
The poor canary is so used to live in a cage that can not comprehend anymore how it is possible to live outside a cage

As soon as you can demonstrate that 'outside of the cage' exists, get back to us.

(June 22, 2013 at 9:13 am)enrico Wrote: Not at all. You are fussy and boring only when you try to be picky and when you come down with your holy truth without first try to understand other people logic in the context of the sentences.

Oh yeah. It's always that "other people logic" that trips me up.

I have intuition that Enrico will have another reject-ful reply.

But that same intuition alone is not science.

(June 22, 2013 at 8:20 am)enrico Wrote:

(June 21, 2013 at 12:44 pm)Rahul Wrote: C'mon guys. Isn't anyone going to point out to this enrico guy that Galileo had nothing to do with trying to tell people the Earth was round?

http://answers.ask.com/society/history/w...h_is_round
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Galileo 15 February 1564 – 8 January 1642

Galileo championed the idea of heliocentrism. That the Earth and other planets revolve around the sun.

How fussy and boring a person can be!!!
When i mention Galileo i also said............As Galileo and other scientists found difficult to give evidence..............i meant all the wave of scientists that came up with a different point of view from the conventional point of view got into ridicule.

What you actually said was:

(June 15, 2013 at 7:55 am)enrico Wrote: Few hundreds years ago when Galileo and other scientists were saying that the planet earth was not flat¹ and was not the center of the universe the ignorant masses were saying.........GIMMAH THE EVIDENCE.

Once the full context is restored, it's clear that you were referring to scientists a few hundred years ago, and the suggestion that such scientists were contesting that the earth was a globe is false, as Rahul asserted.

Is being dishonest about what you wrote a part of your yoga?


¹emphasis mine

Simon Moon Wrote:He said nothing about testing 'intuitive science' (I cringed even typing that meaningless phrase). He stated that scientists often get intuitions about something they are studying, but there is no way to know if the intuition is correct without testing it. Testing the specific thing they intuited, not intuition itself. But, as soon as you claim that intuition's effects manifest some way in the physical universe, your claim becomes testable. That's the way reality works. You make all these claims, then when we insist on evidence for them, you tack on another claim about their untestability. How convenient...

If you would have read my previous post in a different thread you would have noted that i said that a particular thing has got to be tested in the right laboratory.
Consciousness can only be tested within not outside however by looking at the aura you can see the purity within.
You guys even got this angel with the aureola on the head but i guess you never bother to know the meaning nor to know the meaning of the paintings of saints with the aureola on their head around the pineal gland.
You also post in the philosophy thread without even knowing the real meaning of philosophy which makes a mockery of your contradictions.

Enrico Wrote:As i already said in previous post not only is a science but is the older science ever as it was taught 7000 years ago by Shiva.

Quote:But it can't be demonstrated to be true.

How would you like to be demonstrated?
By physical science?
Again you try to use the wrong tool.

Quote:Science (from Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge") is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe. In an older and closely related meaning, "science" also refers to a body of knowledge itself, of the type that can be rationally explained and reliably applied.
As soon as you are able to accomplish the above statements in bold regarding your claim of 'intuitive science', you may have something. Until then, you're pretty much talking out of your ass.

.........only about the universe you say?
Sorry that is incorrect.
I guess you may take your information from wikipedia which are not always reliable. You are doing the same mistake that apophenia does all the time.

Quote:Nope. The truth does not change. What changes is human understanding.
And what changes human understanding? Demonstrable evidence and reasoned argument, neither of which you seem to be able to produce with regards to 'intuitive science' (Oh, I cringed again).

When you say that the truth does not change i do agree with you.
Your problem however is that you still do not understand what is truth and what is not.
This universe is a passing panorama in which everything move and change all the time.
You try to hold even for a second anything within this universe and you will fail but if you try to hold something within the arena of spirituality you will find that is never changing so from here is easy to see where the truth lies.

Quote:And of course you can support your claim that an entity exists that is 'behind time and space', right...

When you die physically and mental speaking your consciousness automatically take over and this has been experienced by all those who had a NDE experience which they also felt to be part of the the cosmic consciousness (God).

Quote:Better yet, see what is happening in China right now. Capitalism is going strong there. And they have a population 5 times the size of Brazil and Turkey combined.

China is rotten within.
The pollution the exploitation the corruption the censorship the lack of brides the lack of fertile land the food adulteration the diseases coming from animals keep in cages the lack of social services and medical assistance and now the economic slow down due to other countries difficulty.
This is a recipe for disaster.
I wouldn't bet a cent on China unless a new system take over.

Quote:As soon as you can demonstrate that 'outside of the cage' exists, get back to us.

You can experience within by practicing intuitional science or you can read thousand of NDE experiences.

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(June 22, 2013 at 2:41 pm)Rahul Wrote:

(June 22, 2013 at 9:13 am)enrico Wrote: Not at all. You are fussy and boring only when you try to be picky and when you come down with your holy truth without first try to understand other people logic in the context of the sentences.

Oh yeah. It's always that "other people logic" that trips me up.

When you are in a moving vehicle and you try to take a perfect picture of the panorama that want be very easy because you as a human being do not have a perfect camera as far as your senses and your brain is concern.
I was reading in a medical report that our physical and mental capacity can only store around 5% of what is there.
Now this may be true or near the truth in any case when you rely on the universal realty as a benchmark to state your logic then is very likely that you will fail miserably.
That is why is important to get the correct information from the correct sources.

I don't think we can fix this guy. He's too deluded.

Can't fix stupid.

apophenia Wrote:Once the full context is restored, it's clear that you were referring to scientists a few hundred years ago, and the suggestion that such scientists were contesting that the earth was a globe is false, as Rahul asserted.

The roman church was torturing people and witches were burned at the stakes.
In those time anything that contradict the church agenda was dealt with physical violence and ridicule by the masses.
All the new wave of scientists like Galileo found themselves in a difficult position that is why i point out to all the scientists but i mention Galileo as he is the most known.
But i guess you enjoy so much to take the logic out of contest that it become like a mental masturbation.

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(June 24, 2013 at 10:21 am)Rahul Wrote: I don't think we can fix this guy. He's too deluded.
Can't fix stupid.

I must be lucky that we are in the year 2013.
If we would be in the year 1500 or somewhere around that then i could be burned at the stakes for challenging the OFFICIAL truth.

(June 16, 2013 at 3:38 am)enrico Wrote:

apophenia Wrote:For more of the same shit, see the following of enrico's threads about ridding yourself of dogma and karma via "intuitional science," yoga and so on

This come from someone who said that she practice yoga for 30 years to then show that she did not know the meaning of yoga.

And this from a little twerp who thinks there is only one meaning of yoga and they own it.

There you go. More attention. Whore.

What is this intuitional science I'm reading about? Is it edible?

(June 24, 2013 at 10:54 am)enrico Wrote:

(June 24, 2013 at 10:21 am)Rahul Wrote: I don't think we can fix this guy. He's too deluded.
Can't fix stupid.

I must be lucky that we are in the year 2013.
If we would be in the year 1500 or somewhere around that then i could be burned at the stakes for challenging the OFFICIAL truth.

Well, that or clinical insanity. Hey, maybe I'm being ungenerous here - more than likely your febrile ravings would have been adopted as part of the OFFICIAL truth. They certainly bear all the hallmarks.