I agree with Red Celt. If the theist isn't bugging me or voting all retarded because of their religion I don't think I have any more right to tell them how to live than they do to me.

(July 15, 2013 at 10:44 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:

(July 15, 2013 at 10:23 am)thesummerqueen Wrote: But my point, Mehm, is that civilized societies don't murder women for adultery, don't chop off hands for stealing, don't shoot political prisoners in the head on TV or throw acid in girls' faces for trying to learn, don't forbid their women to drive or buy cucumbers, don't fly planes into buildings, etc.

It's not that I consider America much better in its behavior - maybe a few degrees up the scale - but I can't consider them a civilized society while those things exist.

Just because they have beautiful buildings and a cosmopolitan atmosphere doesn't make them "civilized" any more than I would have considered the Romans to be a civilized folk after seeing a gladiator match.

In fact, it's really only the Swedes that embody a first world civilized society in my mind.

I guess "being civilized" is a matter of how you look at it, I'd say. I'm not one to play the devils advocate, however I think that arab countries, except for those who have been plagued by war and strife in the past, are quite civil. The fact that the women in Saudi Arabia can't drive cars doesn't really change the fact that they're simply many steps above Iraq, where women can legally drive cars. They have consistent peaceful lives, and they enjoy high living standards. What else is there to be said?

What else?
Freedom, equality, and respect.
Your medieval attitudes are worthy of opprobrium.

(July 15, 2013 at 9:07 pm)Red Celt Wrote: Do you have a relative that regularly checks their horoscope? It is a superstition that helps them. It does me no harm... unless they insist that I govern my life based on my own horoscope, or campaigns for the government to instill astrology in the laws that govern all people.

Life can be difficult. Many look for props to help them live it. They are free to follow their own path in life up until the point when their freedoms prevent others from following their own freedoms. This is a simple concept in a liberal society. As a liberal, I'm happy for people to do as they want. There is no room for any kind of Thought Police™, regardless of how crazy the thoughts of others might be.

I find it hard to disagree with this post.

Quote:How comes countries with the lighter skin are the more civilised?

How come people with lighter skin ignore their history of oppression of darker skin people and even their own women?

How about this, once the oppressor becomes the oppressed and once the oppressed becomes the oppressor. It is not about skin color in evolution. It is not about race or boarders. All 7 billion of us are minorities to others.

FUCK SKIN COLOR FUCK RACE, trace our history as a species back far enough and we are ALL DNA related. We have always displayed tribalism and favortism to our own cultural bias. That has not a damned thing to do with civility. White people did not invent civility. Europeans were very brutal to the African contenent and brutal to the Natives of America and blacks were slaves under white rule.

We are civilized because of SECULAR LAW, not common skin color. Compassion and cruelty are both part of evolution and you by proxy of such a fucked up statement prove my point that our species has a long way to go to bridge divides.

Hitler was white too and he thought white blond haired blue eye'd Germans were "God's chosen people".

The reason some nations seem to have less crime and violence is not because of race or skin color, but BECAUSE OF ECONOMIC STABILITY.

(July 16, 2013 at 2:27 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

Quote:How comes countries with the lighter skin are the more civilised?

How come people with lighter skin ignore their history of oppression of darker skin people and even their own women?

How about this, once the oppressor becomes the oppressed and once the oppressed becomes the oppressor. It is not about skin color in evolution. It is not about race or boarders. All 7 billion of us are minorities to others.

FUCK SKIN COLOR FUCK RACE, trace our history as a species back far enough and we are ALL DNA related. We have always displayed tribalism and favortism to our own cultural bias. That has not a damned thing to do with civility. White people did not invent civility. Europeans were very brutal to the African contenent and brutal to the Natives of America and blacks were slaves under white rule.

We are civilized because of SECULAR LAW, not common skin color. Compassion and cruelty are both part of evolution and you by proxy of such a fucked up statement prove my point that our species has a long way to go to bridge divides.

Hitler was white too and he thought white blond haired blue eye'd Germans were "God's chosen people".

The reason some nations seem to have less crime and violence is not because of race or skin color, but BECAUSE OF ECONOMIC STABILITY.

Wow, I can't read all of this internationalist humanist crap

(July 16, 2013 at 3:18 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:

(July 16, 2013 at 2:27 pm)Brian37 Wrote: How come people with lighter skin ignore their history of oppression of darker skin people and even their own women?

How about this, once the oppressor becomes the oppressed and once the oppressed becomes the oppressor. It is not about skin color in evolution. It is not about race or boarders. All 7 billion of us are minorities to others.

FUCK SKIN COLOR FUCK RACE, trace our history as a species back far enough and we are ALL DNA related. We have always displayed tribalism and favortism to our own cultural bias. That has not a damned thing to do with civility. White people did not invent civility. Europeans were very brutal to the African contenent and brutal to the Natives of America and blacks were slaves under white rule.

We are civilized because of SECULAR LAW, not common skin color. Compassion and cruelty are both part of evolution and you by proxy of such a fucked up statement prove my point that our species has a long way to go to bridge divides.

Hitler was white too and he thought white blond haired blue eye'd Germans were "God's chosen people".

The reason some nations seem to have less crime and violence is not because of race or skin color, but BECAUSE OF ECONOMIC STABILITY.

Wow, I can't read all of this internationalist humanist crap

It is not a matter of "humanist" or "kumbia political correctness". IT IS LITTERALLY FUCKING EVOLUTION!

Evolution is not cognitive and their is no apex. Cockroaches and bacteria outnumber humans and can kill even the most healthy human.

Everything is about resources, not race not religion not political party not nationalism. When you have more resources you have more opportunity to reproduce. Once we as a species start fucking understanding that we are all after the same thing, the more common ground we can find.

(July 16, 2013 at 3:48 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(July 16, 2013 at 3:18 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Wow, I can't read all of this internationalist humanist crap

It is not a matter of "humanist" or "kumbia political correctness". IT IS LITTERALLY FUCKING EVOLUTION!

Evolution is not cognitive and their is no apex. Cockroaches and bacteria outnumber humans and can kill even the most healthy human.

Everything is about resources, not race not religion not political party not nationalism. When you have more resources you have more opportunity to reproduce. Once we as a species start fucking understanding that we are all after the same thing, the more common ground we can find.

Resources, okay. But we're not the same thing, and you can't use my resources, dear. Okay, all this Zeitgeist thing sounds quite lovely, but I don't see it happening once we as a species start speaking the same language, believing in the same God, and looking all alike.
Besides, you have nothing to offer me, while you want my resources to reproduce in your barren wasteland, why should I and my people actually give them up to you? Perhaps you'd be wise sending your women to us as payment, eh?

(July 16, 2013 at 4:02 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Resources, okay. But we're not the same thing, and you can't use my resources, dear. Okay, all this Zeitgeist thing sounds quite lovely, but I don't see it happening once we as a species start speaking the same language, believing in the same God, and looking all alike.
Besides, you have nothing to offer me, while you want my resources to reproduce in your barren wasteland, why should I and my people actually give them up to you? Perhaps you'd be wise sending your women to us as payment, eh?

Barren wasteland?

(July 16, 2013 at 4:13 pm)Rahul Wrote:

(July 16, 2013 at 4:02 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Resources, okay. But we're not the same thing, and you can't use my resources, dear. Okay, all this Zeitgeist thing sounds quite lovely, but I don't see it happening once we as a species start speaking the same language, believing in the same God, and looking all alike.
Besides, you have nothing to offer me, while you want my resources to reproduce in your barren wasteland, why should I and my people actually give them up to you? Perhaps you'd be wise sending your women to us as payment, eh?

Barren wasteland?

Hypothetically speaking.

(July 16, 2013 at 4:15 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Hypothetically speaking.

Oh gotcha.

You can't have our women.

Well, I'll tell you want. We'll pick a select million or so and send them. Pretty the place up over here some by getting rid of 'em.