(July 16, 2013 at 4:20 pm)Rahul Wrote:

(July 16, 2013 at 4:15 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Hypothetically speaking.

Oh gotcha.

You can't have our women.

Well, I'll tell you want. We'll pick a select million or so and send them. Pretty the place up over here some by getting rid of 'em.

I don't want your women either, I was just speaking of a case in which you have nothing to offer me, but you still require my resources, but I won't give 'em up to you.
What are you gonna do? Force me?

(July 16, 2013 at 4:32 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: I don't want your women either, I was just speaking of a case in which you have nothing to offer me, but you still require my resources, but I won't give 'em up to you.
What are you gonna do? Force me?

You talking about me and you or our respective countries?

If I needed vital resources and you had them, and you wouldn't voluntarily share them, I would be forced to kill you in the most carefully constructed way to minimize my own danger while doing the deed.

Dat's called survival.

(July 16, 2013 at 4:41 pm)Rahul Wrote:

(July 16, 2013 at 4:32 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: I don't want your women either, I was just speaking of a case in which you have nothing to offer me, but you still require my resources, but I won't give 'em up to you.
What are you gonna do? Force me?

You talking about me and you or our respective countries?

If I needed vital resources and you had them, and you wouldn't voluntarily share them, I would be forced to kill you in the most carefully constructed way to minimize my own danger while doing the deed.

Dat's called survival.

Not just countries, people, I mean. I do not view my people just being of the same country. I have brethren that live in other countries, I have sympathy for them, I'm ready to help them. I'm willing to use my resources to help a brother(for example, Turkmen in Iraq) that does not have the same passport as I do, but I feel no obligation to share anything with you. I feel no relation, no bond between you or me.

I believe that worldwide peace, harmony and prosperity can only be reached with the individual rise of nations. Internationalism and any ideology that is tied to it is harmful and false.

(July 16, 2013 at 4:49 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Not just countries, people, I mean. I do not view my people just being of the same country. I have brethren that live in other countries, I have sympathy for them, I'm ready to help them. I'm willing to use my resources to help a brother(for example, Turkmen in Iraq) that does not have the same passport as I do, but I feel no obligation to share anything with you. I feel no relation, no bond between you or me.

I believe that worldwide peace, harmony and prosperity can only be reached with the individual rise of nations. Internationalism and any ideology that is tied to it is harmful and false.

Worldwide peace is a myth. An unreachable dream. Unless we go to interstellar war in the future with an alien species.

Even then we'd probably still have religious fucktards blowing themselves up in our population centers over whatever idiotic reason they could dream up at the moment.

We're just a bunch of illogical, brutish animals. We can put on brief veneers of logical thinking and civilized mannerisms for short periods of time, but that's too exhausting for us as a species to maintain for very long.

Naw, I'm a member of a violent primate species. And I'll rip your throat out with my teeth if I need to do that to survive.

(July 16, 2013 at 4:55 pm)Rahul Wrote:

(July 16, 2013 at 4:49 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Not just countries, people, I mean. I do not view my people just being of the same country. I have brethren that live in other countries, I have sympathy for them, I'm ready to help them. I'm willing to use my resources to help a brother(for example, Turkmen in Iraq) that does not have the same passport as I do, but I feel no obligation to share anything with you. I feel no relation, no bond between you or me.

I believe that worldwide peace, harmony and prosperity can only be reached with the individual rise of nations. Internationalism and any ideology that is tied to it is harmful and false.

Worldwide peace is a myth. An unreachable dream. Unless we go to interstellar war in the future with an alien species.

Even then we'd probably still have religious fucktards blowing themselves up in our population centers over whatever idiotic reason they could dream up at the moment.

We're just a bunch of illogical, brutish animals. We can put on brief veneers of logical thinking and civilized mannerisms for short periods of time, but that's too exhausting for us as a species to maintain for very long.

Naw, I'm a member of a violent primate species. And I'll rip your throat out with my teeth if I need to do that to survive.

You're just one man. And well, I guess you've got nothing more to look back other than just being one man.

I'm a member of a people that has created and tore down empires. I look back on these, and take pride, and it motivates me to drive our legacy even further. What do you have, friend?

(July 16, 2013 at 5:01 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: You're just one man. And well, I guess you've got nothing more to look back other than just being one man.

I'm a member of a people that has created and tore down empires. I look back on these, and take pride, and it motivates me to drive our legacy even further. What do you have, friend?

I'm a member of a people that started a new country unlike any seen among the human species. Based on the idea that all men are created equal and have the unalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Led in these ideas by great men, our Founding Fathers, who knew Greek and Latin, people who had read Plato and Aristotle in Greek, who had read Seneca and Cicero in Latin. Who studied the principles of Greek democracy. Men who were scientists, printers, editors, writers, journalists, politicians, inventors. Among who one discovered the electric nature of lightning. And it was because of these great men of extraordinary abilities that a nation of illiterate and uneducated farmers rebelled against England at the height of her power and took Independence and Liberty for themselves.

Men who constructed the currently oldest Constitution in use today. And you know why it is? Because it tells us to govern ourselves, to express our uniqueness, and to find our own happiness.

It has freed the peasants. In this world there is nothing more powerful than freed peasants. You will always get your ass kicked by them. And they all got their asses kicked by us. The Germans, Mexicans, Russians, Nazis, Fascists, Communists.

Because our forefathers and mothers were people without airs and laziness, with determination and grit.

People that changed the world and that even today, over 40 years later, is the only country to see their own countrymen walk on the face of the moon itself.

“If he does that, he will be the greatest man in the world.” - George III of England speaking of George Washington voluntarily relinquishing all power.

Quote:I'm a member of a people that started a new country unlike any seen among the human species. Based on the idea that all men are created equal and have the unalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Well, I don't see it happening any other way, being colonists, from many different ethnicities, along with a bunch of slaves and natives on your back, I can't see them creating a state that derives its history and consciousness on any of the known, established nations on the earth.

Quote:Led in these ideas by great men, our Founding Fathers, who knew Greek and Latin, people who had read Plato and Aristotle in Greek, who had read Seneca and Cicero in Latin. Who studied the principles of Greek democracy. Men who were scientists, printers, editors, writers, journalists, politicians, inventors. Among who one discovered the electric nature of lightning. And it was because of these great men of extraordinary abilities that the nation of illiterate and uneducated farmers rebelled against England at the height of their power and took Independence and Liberty for themselves.

Being far away from the troubles of Europe, not stricken with endless war, only dealing with a few natives who did not have the advantage of a supply of colonists from the old world, who had weapons of iron.

Quote:Men who constructed the currently oldest Constitution in use today. And you know why it is? Because it tells us to govern ourselves, to express our uniqueness, and to find our own happiness.

A constitution that is consistent with you, indeed.

Quote:It has freed the peasants. In this world there is nothing more powerful than freed peasants. You will always get your ass kicked by them. And they all got their asses kicked by us. The Germans, Mexicans, Russians, Nazis, Fascists, Communists.

I see, though I believe that most of the ones you've mentioned there were in actuality "freed peasants" in their own way, since they had no obligation to serve a landlord in exchange for the right to stay.

Quote:Because our forefathers and mothers were people without airs and laziness, with determination and grit.

As were mine. Though I cannot see any of these applying now to land of Burger King, Mc Donalds, and the said means of pursuing happiness in forms of drugs, lax sexual relations and of course, consumerism. Obviously your foundation was flawed, as you took in more and more people who came there for the sake of their selfish desires, such as those who rejected their own national identity for simply higher living standards, those who have traded their own names for your names, those who have traded their own history and culture for your non-existent, artificial and put together culture.
As I have said in a different thread, you even refuse to grand health care to your less fortunate countrymen, for many of you are unwilling to part with their wealth, for that is what your country teaches their citizens....

Quote:People that changed the world and that even today, over 40 years later, is the only country to see their own countrymen walk on the face of the moon itself.

Revel in these days, as the world has seen many empires come and go, and I believe that your end will be a very painful one, as the only glue that holds you together is "the pursuit of happiness". But once happiness is gone(and it just might, friend), what will you do? What will hold you together?

(July 15, 2013 at 7:30 pm)Rahul Wrote: Do you know any country that isn't racist to some extent? I can't think of any.

... Antarctica?

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Oh hai, Mehmet. What's new?

The poor, poor blacks. They really have no other identity that goes beyond their skin colour. They are already a fairly disadvantaged minority, and they cannot trace their roots anywhere in particular, as they have been brought there as slaves, and had their minds erased about who or what they were, stripped off of their tongue, forced to speak the tongue of their masters, and change their names accordingly...And do you believe that these slaves are really loyal to you? As though as any slave, one day, they will serve another master, when the time comes.

(July 16, 2013 at 6:03 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(July 15, 2013 at 7:30 pm)Rahul Wrote: Do you know any country that isn't racist to some extent? I can't think of any.

... Antarctica?

That's a continent, not a country.