(July 16, 2013 at 5:07 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(July 16, 2013 at 10:31 am)Minimalist Wrote: The "word of god" was concocted by men to fool ancient primitives into toeing the line. There is no invisible sky-daddy behind them.

Glad to see your one liners can't answer the question.

I think I'm starting to latch onto the problem here. Apparently you're seeing questions where there are none. It's probably nothing serious but you may want to get it checked out nonetheless as it could be a sign of some underlying issue.

(July 12, 2013 at 2:10 am)Raven Wrote: What it is that I would like to discuss is the notion of “blood sacrifice”. It seems to me that it is a very abhorrent notion, and I've always had a real problem with it. I never could square my feelings with the whole “Passion of the Christ” business. It never made any sense to me at all. Why was it necessary for God to sacrifice himself to himself in order that humankind could be “saved” from ourselves? I mean, he's omnimax, isn't he? He could have whatever he bloody damn wants just by making it so. After all, he set all the rules in the first place, so all he had to do was have one of his prophets come along and preach at people that here's the new covenant, and so long as you follow the game plan your soul shall be saved. What's with the whole hang-up with suffering, blood, and death? Christianity really does not seem like a very healthy mindset on a lot of levels. Any thoughts?

Let's see.
The concept of sin and the retribution for sins are very well defined in the Torah, with many of these warranting death, such as not observing the Sabbath, or committing adultery/fornication, and some sins were regarded as small enough to be atoned for by the blood of an animal.
Indeed, if the blood of an animal can atone for one small sin, and the blood of a man can atone for his own, great sin, the blood of a God can atone for all sins. Indeed, this is the logic behind it. However, the sacrifice has to be made in your name, so by accepting Jesus, you claim this sacrifice as your own, meaning, you earn salvation from your sins.

Besides, he's not saving you from YOURSELF, he's saving you from HELL. Indeed, if God could actually do whatever you stated above and he certainly can, I believe, it would erase the whole concept of sin and good deed.
Of course for those who view him as a mortal prophet, it is not in anyone's power to absolve someone else's sins, by that, I mean the moslems, who claim that he did not die on the cross, and even if he did, he cannot vouch for the sins of another man, even if he's a prophet.

(July 16, 2013 at 5:47 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(July 16, 2013 at 5:07 pm)Godschild Wrote: Glad to see your one liners can't answer the question.

I think I'm starting to latch onto the problem here. Apparently you're seeing questions where there are none. It's probably nothing serious but you may want to get it checked out nonetheless as it could be a sign of some underlying issue.

Yes there's a very serious underlying problem for me and others of my faith, it's a dreaded disease and we can't seem to rid ourselves of it, and that's unfortunate. The disease is called "Minitus Aggrievious."

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@Drich, I wouldn't expect to hear from him, he would not answer my questions, though he could be away, hope that's the reason.

You're pissed off by minutes? Or by small things?

Words aren't really your forté, huh?

(July 17, 2013 at 6:09 am)Stimbo Wrote: You're pissed off by minutes? Or by small things?

Words aren't really your forté, huh?

Minimalist aggravates us, does that help you, I could put up a picture if you need it.

Whatever floats your boat, GC. Use lube.

(July 18, 2013 at 5:24 am)Stimbo Wrote: Whatever floats your boat, GC. Use lube.

A little humor buddy a little humor.

(July 15, 2013 at 3:08 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(July 15, 2013 at 2:36 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote: The Bible just seems to say that God likes the smell of it. Odd fellow, that YHWH is.

In any case, considering God is the "Alpha and Omega", he clearly is the one who set up the system of judgement in the first place, with Divine foreknowledge that there would be occupants in Hell (or else why would he make it?), therefore he cannot be removed from the causal chain leading to there being occupants in Hell.

Hell was made for Lucifer and the fallen angels, before the fall of man.

Well now, don't you like your made-up theological with zero references in the Bible? And regardless of your lie (or ignorance perhaps), God is STILL causally responsible, because by necessity he knew that his creation would fall, and considering he set up the rules, either they were in such a way that he knew humans would be in Hell or he chose to to begin sending them there. Crap soteriological planning or malicious intent; nice.

(July 18, 2013 at 3:12 pm)Godschild Wrote: A little humor buddy a little humor.

A little, yes.

Aw, I'll stop teasing you now.