(July 17, 2013 at 3:59 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: The people were trying to get to heaven, not God. Which is why God thwarted their plan. They were trying to achieve perfection apart from the source.
They used man made materials, brick and tar, rather than stone and mortar, symbolising their own efforts over natural law.

I swear I don't understand why sissy Christians like you can't seem to read the words that are right there on the page!

The Wholly Babble Wrote:Genesis 11:6-7 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

The text couldn't possibly be more clear! The people were going to succeed in building a tower that would reach Heaven. "Nothing will be restrained from them which they have imagined to do". Yahweh was clearly frightened or at least worried about the potential for their success. His actions to confound their language was the only way to stop them.

Heaven is a dome in the sky! Wake up already! Science has lied to you!

The word for "Heaven" and "sky" are one and the same in the ancient Hebrew language. So Genesis 1:8 declares that Yahweh called the dome (firmament) "the sky" which was also what separated Heaven from earth. Yahweh opens a window in the dome when it rains (Gen 7:11).

Science has lied to us saying the earth is round and orbits the sun through a vacuum! Scripture clearly says the earth is flat and supported by pillars. The sky is a dome that stretches over it. The sun revolves around the earth, having been fixed in the dome.

The only alternative can be to think the Bible is wrong. You can't reconcile the two!

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(July 17, 2013 at 4:49 pm)Drich Wrote: If you actually read the story it was not about reaching God.

What Bible did you read?

Quote:Gen 11:4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven;

(July 17, 2013 at 3:59 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: The people were trying to get to heaven, not God.

Does god not reside in heaven? Thus, enough with the silly semantics.

It's the sin of pride.

(July 17, 2013 at 6:26 pm)MikeTheInfidel Wrote: The story is incoherent on several levels. The biggest one is that it says that all of mankind was speaking the same language. This is Genesis 11. One chapter back, in Genesis 10, it talks about the descendants of Noah's sons settling into their own territories, each with their own language.

By George, you're right.

Quote:4 The sons of Javan:

Elishah, Tarshish, the Kittites and the Rodanites. 5 (From these the maritime peoples spread out into their territories by their clans within their nations, [b]each with its own language.)

Another bible fuckup. Who would have guessed?

(July 17, 2013 at 11:10 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Another bible fuckup. Who would have guessed?

Every contradiction in the Babble is just another confirmation of the glory of Gawd. For you see, the Lord is so power that He can create round squares and straight curves. He can have His son who is also Himself and He can be born before 4 BC and after 6 AD all at the same time. And he can lay down a curse that retroactively affects people in the past. No argument can withstand the Power of God card. Glory!

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(July 17, 2013 at 11:02 pm)Polaris Wrote: It's the sin of pride.

It's the sin of trying to build a tower so tall you can get into Heaven! Which is obviously possible since Yahweh Himself said so when He freaked out over it.

Dumb ass sissy liberal Christian.

(July 17, 2013 at 7:51 pm)YahwehIsTheWay Wrote: I swear I don't understand why sissy Christians like you can't seem to read the words that are right there on the page!

... and then you go on to repeat what I said Deist Paladin's sock puppet. Nice one.

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(July 17, 2013 at 10:54 pm)Maelstrom Wrote:

(July 17, 2013 at 3:59 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: The people were trying to get to heaven, not God.

Does god not reside in heaven? Thus, enough with the silly semantics.

You reside in an area. If I went to that area would I also have to be going to see you?

Heaven is not God. The whole point was getting there without him. This is not a disputed understanding.

You may add well have said at the beginning that you weren't interested in the actual answer if you're going to be that stubborn.

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(July 17, 2013 at 6:26 pm)MikeTheInfidel Wrote: The story is incoherent on several levels. The biggest one is that it says that all of mankind was speaking the same language. This is Genesis 11. One chapter back, in Genesis 10, it talks about the descendants of Noah's sons settling into their own territories, each with their own language.

And another literalist fundy runs into a wall

(July 18, 2013 at 2:03 am)fr0d0 Wrote: You reside in an area. If I went to that area would I also have to be going to see you?

Touche.

The original point, which you are ignoring, is that god obviously knew man could not reach him by building a tower.

I have heard that arrogance was the reason for punishing the builders. Arrogance that they could reach god.

However, that man was experiencing arrogance does not dispute the fact that god knew man could not reach him via a tower. Therefore, there was no reason for punishment.

Man cannot become God. That doesn't stop him trying, and that effort is justly punished, as in this case.

The point isn't that they could do it. The point is that subverting good never works, and reaps its own reward.

The story is a universal truth.

(July 18, 2013 at 6:18 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Man cannot become God.

Man is god, for he creates. Man is a much better god than the fictional biblical character for which there is no proof to support his existence.

(July 18, 2013 at 6:18 am)fr0d0 Wrote: The story is a universal truth.

In fiction, but not in real life. Besides, anyone who reads the bible in a purely objective position understands that the deity is a psychopathic tyrant.

Then you misuse the word God.

IRL

Anyone who reads it without thought, understanding nothing, would think that, yes.