(August 9, 2013 at 4:15 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:

It is dismaying that you don't understand the necessity of evidence.

Evidence it's crucial. Illogical evidence... physical evidence of the metaphysical (clue is in the words )... is illogical

(August 9, 2013 at 4:40 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Evidence it's crucial. Illogical evidence... physical evidence of the metaphysical (clue is in the words )... is illogical

No, what is illogical is belief without evidence.

You say you believe in something for which there can be no evidence?

No empirical evidence

Even if Chas does resemble the Zombie Atheist, anyone else can see that he's just sticking to the basics, which is what a lot of us here forget to do. We can easily slip off into the weeds, have a little tussle, and then there are sticker burs stuck up our butts.

I've found only those who don't think much and are particularly stubborn stick to the evidence line. I don't respect that position, I find it worthy of ridicule, because it is ridiculous. People I respect don't commit that error, and there are plenty people on here I deeply respect and count as close friends. Nearly all atheists.

(August 9, 2013 at 5:05 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I've found only those who don't think much and are particularly stubborn stick to the evidence line. I don't respect that position, I find it worthy of ridicule, because it is ridiculous.

I know it goes without saying, but you are a veritable idiot.

(August 9, 2013 at 4:43 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: No empirical evidence

Not empirical evidence, objective evidence. Evidence that can be reproduced, examined by others.

If all you've got are things inside tour head, you have no evidence, just thoughts, ideas, hypotheses.

Those thoughts are real things, but they are not necessarily about real things. Not without objective evidence.

Maybe your God is real, but I don't accept it without evidence. Your testimony is not evidence.

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(August 9, 2013 at 4:56 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote: Even if Chas does resemble the Zombie Atheist, anyone else can see that he's just sticking to the basics, which is what a lot of us here forget to do. We can easily slip off into the weeds, have a little tussle, and then there are sticker burs stuck up our butts.

In what way do I resemble this Zombie Atheist? Is that an AF meme?

It's a spin on the idea that some atheist phrases get a little tautological, which they can. It's kind of like how we lovingly refer to some religious folk as "Sheeple", for when we ask them why they believe in God,it's "because of faith". When the religious ask us what we need in order to believe in God, we repetitively state that we need "evidence".

(August 9, 2013 at 5:16 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote: It's a spin on the idea that some atheist phrases get a little tautological, which they can. It's kind of like how we lovingly refer to some religious folk as "Sheeple", for when we ask them why they believe in God,it's "because of faith". When the religious ask us what we need in order to believe in God, we repetitively state that we need "evidence".

Well, hypothesis -> evidence -> theory -> criticism -> evidence -> lather, rinse, repeat
is the best we have, the only path to knowledge.

All the other putative paths have never produced any knowledge; ideas, yes - knowledge, no.