Where do you guys hear this stuff? I am well read about the conspiracy world, I have read Ahmadinejads speeches, I don't see very much literal anti-semitism under the rocks. Unless we are counting disliking Israels policy decisions anti-semitism nowadays...

(December 29, 2009 at 10:17 pm)Pippy Wrote: Unless we are counting disliking Israels policy decisions anti-semitism nowadays...

Nowadays? People have been claiming that for decades.

I'm not convinced that Ahmadinejad is explicitely anti-semitic either. I'm admittedly not too familiar with his speeches and writings, but from what I've heard, most of his supposed jew-hate can be chalked up as mistranslation and political opposition to the state of Israel.

Yes. The whole "We don't recognize Israel as a country" thing is personal and political, but not based on some racial hatred. He is tired of having the nuclear arsenal pointed at his country for so many years. And other Arab countries in the vicinity have some pretty good reasons to hold a grudge.

He doesn't hate the Israelite only because of who they are, but more likely (like everything else) because of what they have done to him, and his people.

So spiritual means knowledgeable? Neat!

No. Spiritual means nothing (or anything ('whatever it means to you'))

EvF

(December 26, 2009 at 6:32 am)fr0d0 Wrote: I'd say spiritual health could be very practical in the form of moral guidance. I certainly felt that having being failed badly by medical professionals who experimented on me not considering the whole person as it didn't enter their remit as they saw it.

In your understanding 'spiritual health' is directly related to 'moral guidance'? Something which is imposed on an individual level, by parents and education institution. So the Nazi's could say they were living within their moral principles and therefore have a spiritual healthiness in their 'being' . . .
Or is it your opinion that a healthy (overactive) "inner voice" of "morality" is the subjective sign of spiritual health.
I see the concept of spiritual as meaning directly character/personality; health as in functioning effectively. So spiritual health really becomes personality that's practical.

(January 8, 2010 at 9:22 pm)TruthWorthy Wrote:

(December 26, 2009 at 6:32 am)fr0d0 Wrote: I'd say spiritual health could be very practical in the form of moral guidance. I certainly felt that having being failed badly by medical professionals who experimented on me not considering the whole person as it didn't enter their remit as they saw it.

In your understanding 'spiritual health' is directly related to 'moral guidance'? Something which is imposed on an individual level, by parents and education institution. So the Nazi's could say they were living within their moral principles and therefore have a spiritual healthiness in their 'being' . . .
Or is it your opinion that a healthy (overactive) "inner voice" of "morality" is the subjective sign of spiritual health.
I see the concept of spiritual as meaning directly character/personality; health as in functioning effectively. So spiritual health really becomes personality that's practical.

I don't really know what you're saying here TW. 'Imposed' is a loaded qualification. I'd say morality is learned and inspired, and also innate. In Nazi society a certain moral compass was unnaturally imposed. It follows that a person not choosing to follow 'healthy' morals (which is what I'd call Christian morals) would be similarly at risk of skewed morals.

An 'inner voice' is corruptible internally and externally.

(January 10, 2010 at 5:00 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:

(January 8, 2010 at 9:22 pm)TruthWorthy Wrote:

(December 26, 2009 at 6:32 am)fr0d0 Wrote: I'd say spiritual health could be very practical in the form of moral guidance. I certainly felt that having being failed badly by medical professionals who experimented on me not considering the whole person as it didn't enter their remit as they saw it.

In your understanding 'spiritual health' is directly related to 'moral guidance'? Something which is imposed on an individual level, by parents and education institution. So the Nazi's could say they were living within their moral principles and therefore have a spiritual healthiness in their 'being' . . .
Or is it your opinion that a healthy (overactive) "inner voice" of "morality" is the subjective sign of spiritual health.
I see the concept of spiritual as meaning directly character/personality; health as in functioning effectively. So spiritual health really becomes personality that's practical.

I don't really know what you're saying here TW. 'Imposed' is a loaded qualification. I'd say morality is learned and inspired, and also innate. In Nazi society a certain moral compass was unnaturally imposed. It follows that a person not choosing to follow 'healthy' morals (which is what I'd call Christian morals) would be similarly at risk of skewed morals.

An 'inner voice' is corruptible internally and externally.

With the bible as an arch corrupting influence.
How much blood has been spilt for that odious tome.