(August 13, 2013 at 12:37 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: No, I'm arguing that you're focusing on approval and disapproval in a conversation about good and evil.

I necessarily focus on behavior when considering animals, as we can't interview them.

Quote:I think you might be misunderstanding the sense in which the word 'natural' is being used.

4.
c. Biology Not produced or changed artificially; not conditioned: natural immunity; a natural reflex.

That is, we're talking about innate/instinctual vs. learned/conditioned

I'm not the one who brought up gorillas, but regardless of how satisfied you are with the distinctions, chimps and gorillas illustrate that moral concerns aren't limited to humans, and aren't based on good and evil...more the other way around. A 'sense' of empathy and fairness is not unique to humans, but combining those feelings with moral reasoning and abstracting them into concepts like good, evil, and justice is unique to humans, as far as we're able to discern.

That's pretty much a NSS observation.

(August 13, 2013 at 1:44 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(August 12, 2013 at 2:35 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: ..."IF" one believes in the unproven god you claim has decided I am a "sinner" from birth. BTW, I taught bible studies for over a decade. Biblibal things do not shoot right over my head, they go striaght between my ass cheeks and right into the dumper.

You must have been a fairly bad teacher to not of understood what I said to begin with.

GC

You just keep missing it, don't you?

(August 13, 2013 at 4:35 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote:

(August 13, 2013 at 1:44 pm)Godschild Wrote: You must have been a fairly bad teacher to not of understood what I said to begin with.

GC

You just keep missing it, don't you?

I'm pretty much spot on.

GC

(August 13, 2013 at 9:18 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(August 13, 2013 at 4:35 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: You just keep missing it, don't you?

I'm pretty much spot on.

GC

I know you believe you are spot on; religion causes such brain damage. I honestly know you truly believe your own delusion.

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Friedrich Nietzsche is dead ... GOD (Everyone knows this truth - no god required)

A casual stroll through hell proves that faith is everything...GOD (A casual stroll through a literal hell would require no faith at all - now demonstrate that a hell actually exists)

Assuming atheism for the moment...

I pose a question:

Does the Christian determine what is meaningful to the atheist and vice versa....

Or...

Is meaning determined by each individual?

(August 19, 2013 at 11:36 am)discipulus Wrote: Assuming atheism for the moment...

I pose a question:

Does the Christian determine what is meaningful to the atheist and vice versa....

Or...

Is meaning determined by each individual?

What meaning?

(August 19, 2013 at 11:51 am)Captain Colostomy Wrote:

(August 19, 2013 at 11:36 am)discipulus Wrote: Assuming atheism for the moment...

I pose a question:

Does the Christian determine what is meaningful to the atheist and vice versa....

Or...

Is meaning determined by each individual?

What meaning?

Meaning as in purpose I.e one's purpose or reasons for living as homo sapiens.

Each individual believes their life is meaningful except maybe the nihilist....and even then it could be argued that if the nihilist does not believe life is meaningful in some way, they either kill themselves or pretend it is meaningful.

So when I say meaning, I mean what is most important and what one finds the purpose of their life to be.

(August 19, 2013 at 11:36 am)discipulus Wrote: Assuming atheism for the moment...

I pose a question:

Does the Christian determine what is meaningful to the atheist and vice versa....

Or...

Is meaning determined by each individual?

Clearly, this is a diversion toward; "What meaning is there in, or for life wothout god?"

WAY off topic.

(August 19, 2013 at 11:36 am)discipulus Wrote: Assuming atheism for the moment...

I pose a question:

Does the Christian determine what is meaningful to the atheist and vice versa....

Or...

Is meaning determined by each individual?

No, meaning is determined by Merriam-Webster, but thanks for playing.

(August 19, 2013 at 12:14 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote:

(August 19, 2013 at 11:36 am)discipulus Wrote: Assuming atheism for the moment...

I pose a question:

Does the Christian determine what is meaningful to the atheist and vice versa....

Or...

Is meaning determined by each individual?

Clearly, this is a diversion toward; "What meaning is there in, or for life wothout god?"

WAY off topic.

I say avoidance.