Godschild Wrote:Why are you so bigoted against Christians right to speak for what they see as good for society.

Why do you think same-sex marriage is bad for society? What about same-sex marriage is damaging to your world? I'm anxious to know.

(August 20, 2013 at 12:45 am)BadWriterSparty Wrote: How did I deny you use of his name? You invoked Jefferson, and I threw him back in your face.

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Do you think it's right to force others to follow Christian law?

It wouldn't be Christian law, do you believe that only Christians see homosexuality as unnatural.

Whether or not Christians are the only ones that view homosexuality as unnatural is irrelevant to the questions posed. I'm asking about whether or not you think it's right to force your Christian views into the legal system so that everyone has to live the way you want them to. What if I made a law that made it so that you could only have sex with your heterosexual wife once a year? If what you're saying is true, am I justified in doing this?

(August 20, 2013 at 12:21 pm)Godschild Wrote: It wouldn't be Christian law, do you believe that only Christians see homosexuality as unnatural.

Irrelevant. The yuck factor, which is all the non-religious notion against homosexuality entails, is not a valid reason to prevent same-sex couples from having the same rights as heterosexual couples.

By your logic, I should attempt to make it placed into law that heterosexual marriage should be illegal because I personally view sex between a man and a woman as yucky.

(August 20, 2013 at 12:29 pm)Maelstrom Wrote:

(August 20, 2013 at 12:21 pm)Godschild Wrote: It wouldn't be Christian law, do you believe that only Christians see homosexuality as unnatural.

Irrelevant. The yuck factor, which is all the non-religious notion against homosexuality entails, is not a valid reason to prevent same-sex couples from having the same rights as heterosexual couples.

By your logic, I should attempt to make it placed into law that heterosexual marriage should be illegal because I personally view sex between a man and a woman as yucky.

Damn, we were both thinking similar thoughts in response to this. Internet High Five, Maelstrom!

(August 20, 2013 at 12:21 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(August 20, 2013 at 12:45 am)BadWriterSparty Wrote: How did I deny you use of his name? You invoked Jefferson, and I threw him back in your face.

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Do you think it's right to force others to follow Christian law?

It wouldn't be Christian law, do you believe that only Christians see homosexuality as unnatural.

He says from his organically grown internet-connected device.

(August 20, 2013 at 12:49 am)genkaus Wrote:

(August 19, 2013 at 11:29 pm)Godschild Wrote: I agree it should not, but the gay community is pushing for the vote and the court has no right to make constitutional law.

Your ignorance of your own constitution is astounding. The US constitution is silent on the subject of marriage, but, given its stance on civil liberties, the prima-facie conclusion is that it should be allowed and therefore, any supplementary law made to the contrary should either never be passed or be struck down as unconstitutional. The Christians are the ones trying to force a constitutional amendment opposing the gay marriage and have consistently failed to to do so.

No I'm not. In my state gay marriage is not allowed and we're not alone in this matter most states do not allow gay marriage. In those states that do allow gay marriage it has come by vote and that vote was pushed by the gay community. If you want to stand for gay marriage that's okay with me and it's my right to stand against it and in all this discussion that's all I've been trying to say. I would be against gay marriage if I wasn't a Christian, so my Christianity does not change how I see this issue, it is in my opinion unnatural and I do know non Christians who feel this way. These people would vote against gay marriage without religious conviction, so would you also deny these people their right to express their views through the vote.

GC

(August 20, 2013 at 1:14 pm)Godschild Wrote: so would you also deny these people their right to express their views through the vote.

If I personally ran the world, yes, because I do not care for the intolerant bigotry theistitards attempt to enforce under the guise of morality.

However, you are entitled to your vote, just as white supremacists were entitled to their vote to keep blacks as slaves and maintain segregation. Fortunately, those who hold to outdated views tend to eventually find themselves in the minority when it comes to voting, which has become more apparent due to gay marriage being legalized throughout the world. Your vote is not going to count one of these days, and what a glorious day that will be.

(August 20, 2013 at 1:14 pm)Godschild Wrote: No I'm not. In my state gay marriage is not allowed and we're not alone in this matter most states do not allow gay marriage. In those states that do allow gay marriage it has come by vote and that vote was pushed by the gay community. If you want to stand for gay marriage that's okay with me and it's my right to stand against it and in all this discussion that's all I've been trying to say. I would be against gay marriage if I wasn't a Christian, so my Christianity does not change how I see this issue, it is in my opinion unnatural and I do know non Christians who feel this way. These people would vote against gay marriage without religious conviction, so would you also deny these people their right to express their views through the vote.

GC

Again, the problem is that nobody should be voting on this issue at all; it's a right, and rights don't go up for voting. You'd be pitching a fit if your right to marriage was up for the same process.

Besides, when you say it's unnatural... you've been told repeatedly that it happens in nature, and by definition cannot be unnatural, so how about you just shelve that convenient excuse and just admit to your own bigotry for once, hmm? You can't exactly be the bigger man in this situation, but you could at least be an honest one.

(August 20, 2013 at 1:14 pm)Godschild Wrote: I would be against gay marriage if I wasn't a Christian, so my Christianity does not change how I see this issue, it is in my opinion unnatural and I do know non Christians who feel this way. These people would vote against gay marriage without religious conviction, so would you also deny these people their right to express their views through the vote.

But why be against gay marriage if you think homosexuality is unnatural? Marriage isn't natural in and of itself. It's a human construct.

What does denying homosexuals the right to marry have to do with your feelings that homosexuality is unnatural?