(August 20, 2013 at 3:33 pm)ronedee Wrote: Christianity aside... Is there anything wrong with people loving each other? And saying it?

Without there being a good reason to love - yes, there is.

(August 20, 2013 at 3:33 pm)ronedee Wrote: Does religion being invloved make it any different in the way that we "should" treat each other?

Given that religious dictates of how we should treat others differ wildly from how an average, rational person would, yes, it does make it different.

(August 20, 2013 at 3:33 pm)ronedee Wrote: Do you hold the same personal views, and values of every atheist?

No.

(August 20, 2013 at 3:33 pm)ronedee Wrote: Christ represents good. Laws represent good. But people use each to their own advantage. Does that mean we throw them away?

No, we throw them away because both Christ and Christian laws represent wrong and evil.

I've never been a fan of the "you were never a true Christian to begin with" because I know different. I was born into Christianity and raised to be one of the most fervent believers I knew. So if you tell me that I was not a true Christian, first of all you don't know me personally, and secondly you couldn't know what I believed when I was a fervent believer. Thirdly, if someone who believes in God & Jesus, heaven & hell with all their heart isn't a true believer, then who is?

No, it's just a cop-out to try to explain to themselves how someone could leave the faith. It's much easier to say they weren't really in it to begin with.

(August 20, 2013 at 3:35 pm)Drich Wrote: How is this insincere or condecending? God did not kick you out you left. Just like in the parable the son told the Father 'He' was dead to him. (He no longer existed.) This is exactly what you have done here.

I was being charitable when I said that you were being insincere and condescending. I assumed you understood how the atheist position worked and were misrepresenting it anyway to make a point. The other option is that you really are a moron and even after all this time here you still don't get it.

We didn't leave because there was nothing to leave. We didn't say to the father "you are dead to me", we simply realized that there was no father to begin with.

@ronedee, the issue isn't someone saying "I love you", the issue is that a Christian says "I still love you" when they find out you're an atheist. I would've have responded with: well, why wouldn't you?

(August 20, 2013 at 3:12 pm)Drich Wrote: I've never been a fan of the whole "You never were a real Christian" arguement. Not because there is a lack of love issue, but because I believe it to be a copout answer.

Then I was reminded of the story of the prodigal son. The Prodigal leaves and is free to return at anypoint in his life. It's not that the Father said you are no longer my son, (Lost salvation) or the Fact that the boy was never his Father's son (was never truly saved to begin with.) It's that the son wants nothing to do with the father, so he leaves.

Which means the son leaves salvation to live a life apart from the umbrella the father provides. Again he did not loose it as the story shows the son is free to return to the father's house at anytime. The boy just refuses to accept to live under his father so he is free to go and do as he pleases. As such he is also no longer under the father's protection, meaning he will be subject and held to account as the rest of the world will be.

Said another way: The father dug a pit around his house, and if the son goes outside then he dererve to fall into the pit.


I have three questions for you....

(1) From what does the father's umbrella provide protection?

(2) The father's protection from what... EXACTLY?

(3) Who dug the pit?

(August 20, 2013 at 3:43 pm)genkaus Wrote: Without there being a good reason to love - yes, there is.

Because you hate certain people.... until you [need] them?

(August 20, 2013 at 3:43 pm)genkaus Wrote: Given that religious dictates of how we should treat others differ wildly from how an average, rational person would, yes, it does make it different.

Isn't this over-generalization?

(August 20, 2013 at 3:43 pm)genkaus Wrote: No. (views of all atheists?)

Isn't this under-generalization?

(August 20, 2013 at 3:43 pm)genkaus Wrote: No, we throw them away because both Christ and Christian laws represent wrong and evil.

Isn't this a lie?

Quote: “Well I don’t care that you've changed, I still love you.” WTF

Yeah....sadly that's about what you get from these sanctimonious cunts. They actually think they are better than you because they believe fiercely in utter bullshit....as perhaps you can tell from some of the comments from our resident jesus freaks.

(August 20, 2013 at 3:24 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote:

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I called the number - It's a church dammit!

Oh the irony.

(August 20, 2013 at 3:56 pm)ronedee Wrote: Because you hate certain people.... until you [need] them?

I can hate them while needing them.

(August 20, 2013 at 3:56 pm)ronedee Wrote: Isn't this over-generalization?

No.

(August 20, 2013 at 3:56 pm)ronedee Wrote: Isn't this under-generalization?

No.

(August 20, 2013 at 3:56 pm)ronedee Wrote: Isn't this a lie?

No.

(August 20, 2013 at 3:33 pm)ronedee Wrote: Christianity aside... Is there anything wrong with people loving each other? And saying it?

When it's not really love. There are people who use the world to achieve utterly terrible ends. There are those who talk about loving simply to control and dominate other people. And, there are those who love because they think it's necessary to get a reward after death.

Being Christian doesn't make one incapable of love, but the Christian part of the love is completely fake and absolutely unnecessary. It's just regular human love you see when you see Christians doing good works.