(August 26, 2013 at 10:36 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: So the study of stuff that exists without a reason then. Either there is a reason or there isn't and atheists claim there isn't one. This for most people is a baffling as seems self apparent that they ought to be, an effect will always have a cause.

See, if you just persist with your dishonest strawmen and let our arguments flow off of you, then nobody is going to want to play with you anymore.

(August 26, 2013 at 10:36 am)Sword of Christ Wrote:

(August 26, 2013 at 8:43 am)Psykhronic Wrote: The study of stuff, huh? It's the study of the natural world and universe which exists, as we currently understand, due to scientific phenomena. Physics is the reason a lot of shit is here - that's not a no reason. But go ahead and keep telling Atheists what we think.

So the study of stuff that exists without a reason then. Either there is a reason or there isn't and atheists claim there isn't one. This for most people is a baffling as seems self apparent that they ought to be, an effect will always have a cause.

The current understanding is - physics. That is a reason. Physics. Sorry it's not mystical enough for you. Atheists tend to deny an existential purpose outside of science.

(August 26, 2013 at 10:52 am)Esquilax Wrote: See, if you just persist with your dishonest strawmen and let our arguments flow off of you, then nobody is going to want to play with you anymore.

If God doesn't exist then what does? It will have to be eternally existent matter/energy by itself. There won't be a cause or reason for it it's just there as it is.

(August 26, 2013 at 10:57 am)Psykhronic Wrote: The current understanding is - physics. That is a reason. Physics. Sorry it's not mystical enough for you. Atheists tend to deny an existential purpose outside of science.

Where did "physics" come from? It just exists for no reason is what you're saying. I'm saying God created and finely engineered the laws of physics and that's why the universe exists. I'd say God is better because you have a reason for what we can actually observe to exist, rather than it being just there for no reason without an explanation. You also have an explanation for why the laws of physics are as apparently as finely tuned as they are. You have to say this was all random or something.

It wasn't random or something. Physics works in a predictable manner. The laws of physics exist because... we don't know yet, big fucking deal, I'm not making a claim to know where physics came from or saying it came from itself or nothing. But physics DOES have a basis in mathematics, where there are many answers to be found.

And WHAT, exactly, is "fine tuned" ? Shit smashes together and gravity, etc makes it a spherical, albeit not perfect, object? There are stars and shit? What?

(August 26, 2013 at 11:09 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: If God doesn't exist then what does? It will have to be eternally existent matter/energy by itself. There won't be a cause or reason for it it's just there as it is.

Or there could be an answer we just don't know yet. You proposing a wrong answer doesn't mean the only other option is nothing at all. Keeping an open mind isn't a weakness. Quit the false dichotomies.

Quote:Where did "physics" come from? It just exists for no reason is what you're saying.

Where did god come from, pokey? You wanna actually answer that question?

Quote: I'm saying God created and finely engineered the laws of physics and that's why the universe exists. I'd say God is better because you have a reason for what we can actually observe to exist, rather than it being just there for no reason without an explanation.

So you're just desperate for any answer, regardless of whether it's true or not?

(August 26, 2013 at 11:25 am)Psykhronic Wrote: It wasn't random or something.

So it was intentionally planned with a purpose in mind? We're on the same page here then.

Quote:Physics works in a predictable manner.

Because that's the way God engineered it to be to begin with! Good grief , argh!

(August 26, 2013 at 10:33 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: We evolved.

From what?

(August 26, 2013 at 10:32 am)discipulus Wrote: Of course you cease to exist!

I understand you think that it is obvious that when people die they cease to exist. I am just asking these very basic questions so that I am not accused of assuming anything.

If you desire to answer the above question I will be grateful. I also have another one to ask if you do decide to answer it.

(August 26, 2013 at 11:43 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: Because that's the way God engineered it to be to begin with! Good grief , argh!

Do you know what this is to us, until you actually demonstrate that your god even exists? It's just a vastly less interesting Just So story.

So if something is not random, it is intentionally planned by a higher power? Yeah, just keep sprinkling gawd on anything you don't understand.

discipulus! Waiting on your next question!