(August 26, 2013 at 6:45 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: ...You can't prove God exists only demonstrate the likelihood of his existence.

(August 26, 2013 at 5:53 pm)Rationalman Wrote: That didn't answer my question

If you actually wanted to be ignorant then you could become a Young Earth Creationist. I don't think atheism would be for you, I thought it was for people who wanted to not be ignorant.

That is not the point I was making. You said something about benefits of knowing the existence of god. The benefits and negatives are what I am talking about. Your argument reeked of an appeal to Pascal's wager

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(August 26, 2013 at 6:52 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote:

(August 26, 2013 at 6:46 pm)Rationalman Wrote: Which you have not done

You can explain why I haven't done so than just give me your own opinion. A five word sentence expressing your own opinion does not a counter argument make.

You have not demonstrated the likely hood of a god existing, all you have done is argue over interpretations of the bible

Pascal's Wager...I was just thinking the same thing.

(August 26, 2013 at 6:57 pm)Rationalman Wrote: That is not the point I was making. You said something about benefits of knowing the existence of god. The benefits and negatives are what I am talking about. Your argument reeked of an appeal to Pascal's wager

I don't believe you're going to hell or anything you're just missing out on something that's all.

Quote:You have not demonstrated the likely hood of a god existing, all you have done is argue over interpretations of the bible

The universe exists, we exist, the universe is very very very very complex, we wouldn't exist if the universe wasn't precisely as very very very very complex as it is and we physically are the most complex part of the universe. Therefore we would be unlikely to be a coincidental byproduct but the central product of a complex designed order created by a supreme intelligence that human intelligence mirrors (i.e made in Gods image).

The universe began to exist, everything that begins to exist must have a cause therefore the universe had a cause that was not the universe itself. The cause of the universe must be eternal as from nothing comes nothing, and it must exist independently from the universe else be part of the very thing you're trying to explain. Therefore the cause will have brought what we know to exist into existence out of nothing that actually exists, but rather from the mind/will of the ultimate being in question. Being a cause without a cause the cause itself would therefore would be self explanatory within itself, eternally existent within itself, beyond time/space and the ultimate explanation for the universe that we experience as existent as humans.

If you want the full details of how God created the universe then there is some shit here if you're interested. I'm not particularly using this to back any of my points but it's interesting. Certainly the universe is built upon a very precise and balanced mathematical framework, there is some noticeable order and pattern within it certainly.

(August 26, 2013 at 7:25 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: The universe began to exist, everything that begins to exist must have a cause therefore the universe had a cause that was not the universe itself.

What do you call someone who continues to assert something as true after it's been shown to be in error - and then ignore the people who have shown him where his error is?

Rhetorical question.

So what you are saying is because we are very complex, we need a cause, a creator? But this creator must be way more complex than us in order to create the universe but doesn't need a cause?
See, this is a logical fallacy, we call it 'special pleading'. Everything needs a cause but your god. And that is why you have proved nothing. Everything you have said are mere assertions.

If anything, the complexity of this Universe, as you put it, just proves that the laws of Physics, which we know to be a true way to explain many phenomena in this world, are in fact the reason we have come into existence. The laws of Physics must be such that life coming about as it has is as natural as the formation of galaxies, as natural as the fusion reactors at the center of each star, as natural as anything else you can see with an ounce of perception. Perhaps that's the greatest mystery of all: that there really is no mystery.

I'm rather surprised that he thought people would watch videos that have "Sacred Geometry" in the title.

Sacred also spells scared, so, ya know. And blessed, bedless.

As in, the sacred and blessed people are a scared and bedless people.

(August 26, 2013 at 10:15 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: I'm rather surprised that he thought people would watch videos that have "Sacred Geometry" in the title.

I only had to read the title to know it was bullshit. Yes...in many cases you can definitely judge a book by its cover.

(August 26, 2013 at 7:25 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: I don't believe you're going to hell or anything you're just missing out on something that's all.

Yeah, just like you're missing out on reality, logic, and intellectual honesty by believing as you do.

Quote:The universe exists, we exist, the universe is very very very very complex, we wouldn't exist if the universe wasn't precisely as very very very very complex as it is and we physically are the most complex part of the universe.

Yes, we get it: you don't understand how things actually work, so the answer must be god. I'm rapidly approaching the point where I just mentally replace every word you write with a picture of a grinning cartoon man with the caption "I'm an idiot and therefore god!"

Quote: Therefore we would be unlikely to be a coincidental byproduct but the central product of a complex designed order created by a supreme intelligence that human intelligence mirrors (i.e made in Gods image).

Do I actually have to tell you that "unlikely" is not a synonym of "impossible?"

Quote:The universe began to exist, everything that begins to exist must have a cause therefore the universe had a cause that was not the universe itself.

Okay, I'm gonna call it: you're either a liar or an idiot. I linked you to comprehensive rebuttals of this argument when you first used it last night. You've just kept steamrolling on with your question begging fallacy train. So, actually answer this question: are you just lying, or are you too stupid to understand what other people are telling you?

If you didn't see the post, I'll be happy to link you to it here so maybe you'll shut up with this terrible argument and improve yourself.