(September 9, 2013 at 9:11 pm)Godschild Wrote: Please show me I'm wrong

You were shown you are wrong. You claimed that nowhere in the bible does it say to kill disobedient children, and someone posted the verse from Deuteronomy showing that exact thing. Admit it and move on.

Quote: I've offered to explain those verses even though I know most will reject what I say.

Because you always come up with some extremely lame bullshit claim as to why a particular bible passage doesn't mean what it means.

But I'm interested, please lay on your bullshit interpretation of that passage and explain why it doesn't mean that unruly children should be killed. I'll start making popcorn.

All this rationalisation of barbaric mentality reminds of 1984 for some reason... the catchphrase would probably be something like "violence is love".

(September 9, 2013 at 6:00 pm)catfish Wrote:

(September 9, 2013 at 1:16 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: Aractus why exactly don't you believe the Bible is the unerring word of god? It says it is, after all. And it says to follow it or you will go to hell. ...
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Proof of claim?

Hm. Many Christians say the Bible is the word of God. The Bible says the word of God is true:

Psalm 119:160
Thy WORD IS TRUE from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.

However, since the Bible wasn't assembled until after all the scriptures were written, there is no verse claming the Bible as a whole is the word of God. There are verses that say revealed scriptures are true, but they can't be reasonably expanded to include the whole Bible.

I'm going to have to come down on the side that the Bible doesn't say it's true.

(September 8, 2013 at 3:14 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: I started this AF.org profile because I heard about Drichs' posts on the subject of murder, and how if god decrees it then murder is moral. I thought, surely this man isn't a Christian, I sure as hell have never heard this standpoint stated by a single Christian in my entire life! The more I talked to Drich, and JohnV, and GodsChild, the more I realized: They're sure as shit right. The Bible dOes say that, and as Christians they're perfectly justified in believing such misogynistic, racist, evil, punitive, condemnatory beliefs that they hold dear because: THEIR BIBLE TEACHES IT.
Note I didn't say they were justified in believing in the Bible. This understanding of god and his nature along with the contradictions to what I was taught about the all loving god I'd worshiped willingly my entire life--led me to believe the Bible itself was a crock of shit. After that, the blocks kept tumblin. Every piece of information I held to be truth based upon the Bible has been re-examined, RESEARCHED, and found to be false.

I suggest all Christians do the same. It literally breaks my heart to know you see life through such a limited and contradictory-to-your-nature- beliefs. Unless that is, you are fine with bashing babies' heads up against rocks and cutting peoples' hands off, killing people for their sexual orientation, and enslaving and raping people for your benefit..

Oh please, the vast majority of Christians hear about the flood very early on. If you didn't consider this in your years as a Christian, that's due to your own self-delusion. Christianity isn't hiding it.

(September 10, 2013 at 1:05 pm)John V Wrote: Oh please, the vast majority of Christians hear about the flood very early on. If you didn't consider this in your years as a Christian, that's due to your own self-delusion. Christianity isn't hiding it.

Yes, they do - it's a story told to young children. Of course, what they're told has a decided spin towards rainbows and doves and god' grace and love, and away from uncounted drowning children.

I have had Christians describe the story as "God's beautiful promise to us" as if it weren't the story of the most horrific act of genocide ever committed.

Thankfully, it's just a story.

(September 10, 2013 at 1:05 pm)John V Wrote: Oh please, the vast majority of Christians hear about the flood very early on. If you didn't consider this in your years as a Christian, that's due to your own self-delusion. Christianity isn't hiding it.

I wasn't referring to the flood in any of my references, but yeah. Thanks for yet another example of the malevolent intent f your god. I'm not quite sure how to take this comment, honestly. Are you saying that a child has the knowledge and level of comprehension of an adult to the point of reasoning the pros and cons of an indoctrinated belief taught by authority figures? For that matter, what is it within your adult mind that can justify an entire world full of people being drowned including born and unborn alike? Do you really think each and every one of them were beyond 'saving'? No, nevermind, I forgot: everyone from the old testament pretty much did go to hell, believers and non believers alike. Which then leads me to ask why you consider your god benevolent in any way for laying out a plan no one can follow anyways (god forbid I get my hair stuck in something and need to cut it!), then that god takes any and all chance of salvation away by drowning the people he created like this in the first place? Oh let's not play.. If you consider God all knowing enough to know for a fact all of those people in the flood were unrectifiable then surely he knew exactly what was going to happen with Adam and Eve. The whole Genesis story plays out like a malevolent flawed experiment where the origin of ghe possible choices allowed is with the crazy scientist who knows for a fact that themouse is of course going to eat the. heese but is able to throw his hands up in the air and be 'surprised' at the result, absolving himself of any and all responsibility for the system he put the mouse into in the first place.

(September 10, 2013 at 2:21 am)missluckie26 Wrote: I don't understand any of your qualms, Catfish. I said you think Aeonian means indeterminate not eternal.

You said: "I'm aware you don't believe Aeon to be an indefinite amount of time"
You have the same lack of reading comprehension as the others it may seem.

(September 10, 2013 at 2:21 am)missluckie26 Wrote: I stated in my first paragraph how there was a word referenced in describing god as Aeonian. I then went on to say that if
god was described as such and he's supposedly eternal, then the rest of the translated references would also have to mean eternal.

Yeah, and I pointed out how that is incorrect. The Greek word from Romans 1:20 is "AIDIOS", not aeonian. Feel free to keep denying that though and I'll keep laughing.

(September 10, 2013 at 2:21 am)missluckie26 Wrote: Since they obviously do not (in describing Jonah's fish experience and such), then either god is not eternal or he is and everything else does
mean eternal (like HELL).

See above ^^^^^^^

(September 10, 2013 at 2:21 am)missluckie26 Wrote: No, sir. Who do you think You are, to assign a judgement upon me (indeterminate or not)when I've done nothing to deserve such treatment?

Where the Hades did you come up with this appeal to emotion? You're an asswipe and an idiot, that's about as far as my "judgement" of you goes...

(September 10, 2013 at 2:21 am)missluckie26 Wrote: A judgement your own brethren hold to be eternal torment in hell.

Guilt by association? Stop being such a bigoted dumbass.

(September 10, 2013 at 2:21 am)missluckie26 Wrote: My life would be a lot better off not even knowing about your silly viewpoint, honestly.

You obviously do not know my viewpoint as you strawman my position quite often.

(September 10, 2013 at 2:21 am)missluckie26 Wrote: Instead, here you are on an atheist forum telling me that oh I'm only going to hell for an indeterminate amount of time. Seriously, go suck a big one catfish.

Proof of claim? Just one tidbit of evidence for that LIE is all I ask since you can't supply evidence of my first challenge.

(September 10, 2013 at 2:21 am)missluckie26 Wrote: OH! AND you're a Waste Of Breath. Your two sentence replies to a half hours+ worth of work? FUCK OFF TROLL.

I call you on your bullshit statements and you call me a troll? Fuck off, cunt.

Damn, catfish. Your use of obscenities makes your claim that she's appealing to emotion rather weak. I'd even say it's a pot/kettle moment, but I doubt your abrasive attitude can comfortably concede this point.

Hey Catfish. Yo mama so fat dat she gotta use dem cheat codes to beat Wii Fit. And das not sayin ANYTHIN about how she needs somebody else to plug de Wii into de outlet!

And still no proof of the numerous bare assertions...