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Men Women Sex and Temptation
#21
RE: Men Women Sex and Temptation
Some advice from an old broad who's been to more than a few rodeos.

I've been married twice, once to the wrong person and once to the right one. I gave 13 years to the wrong one, even without the complication of children. From all outward appearances, we had a good marriage. He was kind, smart, fun, loving in his way. But we simply didn't "fit." To the astonishment of many (he was also financially very comfortable), we parted ways. Best thing I ever did, even though terrifically painful in the moment.

Eight years later, I met a man online who turned all those same keys to which you refer. We became great friends, didn't really expect a "love" match as he lived in Australia and I in the States. After a time, he came for a visit. Oh, dear, chemistry. Someone had to make a really big move. Took us a couple of years, but we got it done. I had 6 wonderful years in his company before he died.

People always talk about how much work a relationship is, and yes -- you should brush your teeth every day, do special things and generally not take things for granted or let yourself go to pot. But really? When you're with the right person, it's not that hard. Even moving planets in middle age to get on the same continent was comparatively trivial to us in exchange for being with the right person. We meshed together easily and happily, and it never changed to the day he died.

My daddy always said, "You need three things for a a relationship to be successful: Love, lust and like. The love and the lust are easy. The like is the hard part, but it's the bit that will get you through the tough times." He was right. I had a psychology professor once who asserted that the only difference between how you treat your best friend and your lover should be sex. I remember when he said it, I thought he was nuts. But you know, the more I thought about it, the more I realized he was right: Why would I give my best friend more patience, more consideration, more honesty, more thoughtful gestures or more trust than I give to the person whom I profess to love more than any other in the world?

So here is what I would ask you: Do you like your wife? Do you treat her as well as you treat your best friend? Have you afforded her the same considerations and thoughtfulness? I think it would be good for you to explore these issues before deciding what is best to do in your circumstances. In a healthy relationship, it's not that hard to keep the love/lust/like alive. I remember the very last night I spent with my husband before he died... we had dinner guests, and he was "on." He regaled our friends with his wonderful stories -- he had such a gift for gab -- until our friends were literally crying with laughter. I sat across from him, watching, and thought to myself how very lucky and happy I was to be married to this fantastic man. It never changed, not from the first day to the last. And that's the relationship you should have.

Best to you. It's not at easy decision, either way.
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#22
Re: Men Women Sex and Temptation
I'm 37 and I've been with my wife for 20yrs, but married for 8. We met less than a year out of high school, so I never had any other partners so not your usual situation. I personally feel about my wife the same way I did all those years ago, but I understand that's definitely not the norm. Do you have dreams about your wife any you splitting up? How do you feel in the dream? In mine I'm devastated and wake up in severe distress.

Also remember the grass is very rarely greener.
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#23
RE: Men Women Sex and Temptation
(September 10, 2013 at 12:13 pm)Cinjin Wrote: Meanwhile, I feel my wife and I beginning to fall away from each other, and it makes me wonder if I should let us go while we both still have time to meet someone new. I don't know. Life is such a mixed up journey and you don't always know if you've made the right choice till it's too late.

Well, I think the worst thing you could do in this situation is make a rash decision. Discuss the situation with your wife, and let her know that you feel you're drifting apart. Divorce shouldn't be something to consider unless you've talked things out together. I know someone that just sprung divorce papers on her husband without ever even mentioning the problems to him or giving him a chance to fix what was wrong.

Personally, I would much rather put in a few extra years of effort with the wrong person than bail on the right one too early becuase of a slump in the marriage.
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#24
RE: Men Women Sex and Temptation
(September 10, 2013 at 12:13 pm)Cinjin Wrote: Meanwhile, I feel my wife and I beginning to fall away from each other, and it makes me wonder if I should let us go while we both still have time to meet someone new. I

While both of you old geezers still have time to meet someone new?

Dude, you're in your thirties.

Heck my aunt and her husband divorced in their late sixties and they were both married to new spouses in less than six months.

You've got plenty of time if it doesn't work out. For the sake of your son, if nothing else, your relationship deserves your whole hearted honest effort to improve upon.
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#25
RE: Men Women Sex and Temptation
(September 9, 2013 at 9:34 pm)Cinjin Wrote: Here are the short stats - please feel free to share yours as well.

I'm late 30's
Married 8 years - (1st marriage)
1 Child, my son

Before I was married I had many sexual partners. What can I say, I'm not a D-bag sheep who thinks an invisible man in the sky is judging me for doing what nature has instructed me to do.

That being said, I've been a musician for much of my life and although I've never cheated on my wife, I've had ample opportunity to do so.
Recently, I had this wonderful conversation with a woman who engaged me on every level. I was stimulated in every way a person has the ability to be stimulated. This woman is not my wife. You can probably already tell where I'm going with this.

Undecided
There are 3 billion women in the world. There are women who are better conversationalists than your wife, or prettier, or funnier, or better in bed, or whatever. You knew that and you married your wife anyway.

Now you've met one such woman. Nothing has changed. You married your wife knowing such women existed. And guess what - there are women better in some ways than this new one.

Grow up and honor your commitment.

Stop spending time with other women. Even if it doesn't go to the physical, you're still cheating on your wife by giving away time and attention that she deserves, and that would likely improve your relationship if given to your wife. Most married men should stick to male friends.

Write a list for us of all the good things about your wife.

If you need change, change a room in your house or take up a new hobby.

Biblically, a man and wife become one flesh. Personally I think there's a lot more to that than meets the eye. I believe that if you're not happy with your wife, you're really not happy with yourself.

Divorce shouldn't even be a thought since there's a child involved and there's no abuse involved.
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#26
RE: Men Women Sex and Temptation
(September 9, 2013 at 9:34 pm)Cinjin Wrote: Here are the short stats - please feel free to share yours as well.

I'm late 30's
Married 8 years - (1st marriage)
1 Child, my son

Before I was married I had many sexual partners. What can I say, I'm not a D-bag sheep who thinks an invisible man in the sky is judging me for doing what nature has instructed me to do.

That being said, I've been a musician for much of my life and although I've never cheated on my wife, I've had ample opportunity to do so.
Recently, I had this wonderful conversation with a woman who engaged me on every level. I was stimulated in every way a person has the ability to be stimulated. This woman is not my wife. You can probably already tell where I'm going with this.




Undecided


Besides that potentially fickle and short lived spark, in what other way would she still be better than your wife in 8 years? Would she also make you a better father to your son than your wife would?

Does the word alimony mean anything to you?

Do you think your wife is really bored with you as well?
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#27
RE: Men Women Sex and Temptation
Enter... the troll!
Have fun, make sure your wife never finds out.
Don't become enamored by this new woman.

Best advice, really... just stay away from her and others like her. Be a positive role model for your kid.
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#28
RE: Men Women Sex and Temptation
(September 9, 2013 at 9:57 pm)Cinjin Wrote: As true as that poster is, it's not really just about sex though, ya know?

I don't know how to explain "spark."

And that's a problem. You'd be better off if it was just a sexual temptation. Sleeping with some chick is a mistake you can come back from. Falling in love with her is a marriage-breaker.
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#29
RE: Men Women Sex and Temptation
(September 11, 2013 at 12:27 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: And that's a problem. You'd be better off if it was just a sexual temptation. Sleeping with some chick is a mistake you can come back from. Falling in love with her is a marriage-breaker.

That's true. Women seem to have a Richter Scale on adultery. For men, cheating is cheating, regardless of her feelings for the other man (a woman seeking to confess and make amends for a mistake would generally not be served well by the he-meant-nothing-to-me line). For women, cheating seems to range from the low end which would be a fling he had with a stranger in some other town and he'll never see her again to the high end where he's in love with the other woman and is ready to run off with her. She may still divorce him over the "low end" of cheating but will generally be more upset the more emotionally attached her husband is to the other woman.
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#30
RE: Men Women Sex and Temptation
(September 11, 2013 at 12:45 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: That's true. Women seem to have a Richter Scale on adultery. .......

.... She may still divorce him over the "low end" of cheating but will generally be more upset the more emotionally attached her husband is to the other woman.

Of what use is the richter scale to earthquake preparedness if magnitude 2 entails the same level of devastation as magnitude 9.5?
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