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RE: A conclusion about theists on this forum
September 14, 2013 at 4:55 pm
So what did that quote actually mean? and what was your point?
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
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RE: A conclusion about theists on this forum
September 14, 2013 at 5:13 pm
(September 14, 2013 at 4:55 pm)Rationalman Wrote: So what did that quote actually mean? and what was your point?
Do you really need me to explain the meaning of this?!?!?
"And her prophets have daubed them with untempered morter, seeing vanity, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord God, when the Lord hath not spoken."
I think that the only word a rational man may have trouble with is "daubed".
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RE: A conclusion about theists on this forum
September 14, 2013 at 5:30 pm
I only ask because I don't know. And since someone elses explanation was apparently wrong, I hope you can explain what you meant.
And btw, rationality has nothing to do with knowledge.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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RE: A conclusion about theists on this forum
September 14, 2013 at 5:32 pm
(September 14, 2013 at 5:13 pm)catfish Wrote: (September 14, 2013 at 4:55 pm)Rationalman Wrote: So what did that quote actually mean? and what was your point?
Do you really need me to explain the meaning of this?!?!?
"And her prophets have daubed them with untempered morter, seeing vanity, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord God, when the Lord hath not spoken."
I think that the only word a rational man may have trouble with is "daubed".
What I think he is trying to say is that a lot of people say that they talk to god, but most of them are full of shit. And yes moses started the dick hacking thing
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: A conclusion about theists on this forum
September 15, 2013 at 2:47 pm
(September 14, 2013 at 5:30 pm)Rationalman Wrote: ...rationality has nothing to do with knowledge. I find this statement curious. Could you please expand?
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RE: A conclusion about theists on this forum
September 15, 2013 at 3:54 pm
(September 15, 2013 at 2:47 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: (September 14, 2013 at 5:30 pm)Rationalman Wrote: ...rationality has nothing to do with knowledge. I find this statement curious. Could you please expand?
You can be the most intelligent and knowledgeable person on the planet and not be rational at all. Indeed, i'm sure everyone on the planet has moments of irrationality regardless of their knowledge base or intellect.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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RE: A conclusion about theists on this forum
September 16, 2013 at 9:05 pm
(September 15, 2013 at 3:54 pm)Rationalman Wrote: You can be the most intelligent and knowledgeable person on the planet and not be rational at all. Indeed, i'm sure everyone on the planet has moments of irrationality regardless of their knowledge base or intellect.
Being intelligent presupposes rationality. Moments of irrationality does entail being irrational overall.
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RE: A conclusion about theists on this forum
September 16, 2013 at 9:11 pm
(September 12, 2013 at 9:24 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: If you're trying to paint all believers with the same brush then fuck off.
Tell me...
Which nail payed for your pottymouth?
Or was it the stripes? Praise the lord!
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RE: A conclusion about theists on this forum
September 16, 2013 at 10:06 pm
(September 16, 2013 at 9:05 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote: (September 15, 2013 at 3:54 pm)Rationalman Wrote: You can be the most intelligent and knowledgeable person on the planet and not be rational at all. Indeed, i'm sure everyone on the planet has moments of irrationality regardless of their knowledge base or intellect.
Being intelligent presupposes rationality. Moments of irrationality does entail being irrational overall. I agree with rational man, we are irrational creatures and even the most intelligent people lose that rationality easily. In fact I tried to imagine something mind boggling tonight. Imagine a world where no one had ever committed a logical fallacy.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: A conclusion about theists on this forum
September 16, 2013 at 10:57 pm
(This post was last modified: September 16, 2013 at 10:58 pm by AtheistCreed.)
What I think about generalities is that everyone who makes a generalization is generally an ignoramus.
If there is even a single exception to the rule then the accuracy of the generality is nullified.
Yet there are potentially millions of examples of individuals from all sects or groups which are different from others within their group.
Humans are unique creatures, there are intelligent irrational atheists; unintelligent irrational atheists; intelligent rational atheists; unintelligent rational atheists; intelligent irrational theists; unintelligent irrational theists; intelligent rational theists; unintelligent rational theists; confused intelligent irrational homosexual clear window preference, white car loving, albino, meat-eating, pot-smoking, marathon running theists... and then everyone else....
The point is that everyone is so wildly different from each other that to take a summary of a group of beliefs as a personal attack on your individual character is to ignore the diversity of views which are often mistakenly labeled as denominations, when in reality each human is his own denomination.
An argument may be made by an atheist against a religious text, against a historical fact, against individual behavior, or any other point of contention. But to ignore the point of contention and to take said argument as a personal attack is to disengage from the intellectually honest debate and topic at hand.
More pertinent to this particular thread, if genocide is committed by god in the Bible, and a Christian believes that the Bible is from god, then that is a major issue which will be met with harsh reception from the typical atheist arguing this point on the moral grounds.
Defend your beliefs rationally with evidence and concise rhetoric, as opposed to logical fallacy and blind emotion.
So, you may argue "but god only had the men, women, children, infants, and animals slaughtered by the Jews because that town had to be cleansed, and god's infinite wisdom knew this was the only way to pave the way for the future."
Then I would argue, "If god is so powerful and all-knowing then why wouldn't he create a more effective and morally substantial method of accomplishing this tumultuous task? A task which has proven inefficient anyways because we still live in a world ruled by immorality and the Jews aren't doing so well considering that god killed all of their enemies and literally paved the path for their success.... Maybe they would've been better off without the god of the Bible causing them to be ridiculed for child slaughter, rape victims, and male domination."
Then you could continue your contentions and we would be thus engaged in an intellectual discussion.
Or you could just say fuck off and we continue proving the theory of evolution true by behaving like animals.
imo, anyways.
tl;dr version
Let's have an intelligent discussion about why I and many atheists believe religion is absurd, illogical, immoral, and harmful for society.
“Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.” - Marcus Aurelius
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