My pig pickin's(hillbilly pot luck) are off the chain. There ain't no jewish or muslim group that can touch it! :p

(September 26, 2013 at 9:03 pm)Airyaman Wrote: ^^ Seems like we had a mind meld.

Woah.. posted at the same thought at the exact same time haha!

(September 26, 2013 at 9:02 pm)Airyaman Wrote: Careful...we give Christians a hard time when they trot out the "not a True Christian™" line, we don't want to do the same and say "not a True Atheist™".

I wasn't trotting out a "no true scotsman." When I said that most theists are either confused or lying when they say they were an atheist, that was based on personal experience. Most of the stories I've heard go something like, "I used to be an atheist, and I hated god..."

Today one of my students told me that she is an atheist. I told her, "no you're not." (I mean, why should I believer her, she offered no proof).
Any way she said, again "yes, I'm an atheist."
I asked her, "does God know you're an atheist?"
She looked at me confused for a moment and then said, "there is no God."

I like it when my students can think.

I'm sure you were just fucking thrilled with that.

When does she get out of detention?

(September 26, 2013 at 10:31 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I'm sure you were just fucking thrilled with that.

When does she get out of detention?

I was thrilled. I like it when my students stand up for themselves and I really like it when they offer counter points of view. I want my students to critically think and come to their own conclusions.

I often annoy my students when they show me their work and ask, "is this good." I say to them, "You tell me. You know if something is good or not good. When you're at a restaurant do you ask other people to taste your food and tell you if it's good? Show some confidence."

Then most of them say, "I just want to know if I'll get a good grade." Oh how we've brain washed them.

Don't get me started.

(September 26, 2013 at 9:30 pm)Faith No More Wrote:

(September 26, 2013 at 9:02 pm)Airyaman Wrote: Careful...we give Christians a hard time when they trot out the "not a True Christian™" line, we don't want to do the same and say "not a True Atheist™".

I wasn't trotting out a "no true scotsman." When I said that most theists are either confused or lying when they say they were an atheist, that was based on personal experience. Most of the stories I've heard go something like, "I used to be an atheist, and I hated god..."

The same approach is used by Christians when they consider ex-Christians.

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(September 26, 2013 at 10:38 pm)Max_Kolbe Wrote:

(September 26, 2013 at 10:31 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I'm sure you were just fucking thrilled with that.

When does she get out of detention?

I was thrilled. I like it when my students stand up for themselves and I really like it when they offer counter points of view. I want my students to critically think and come to their own conclusions.

I often annoy my students when they show me their work and ask, "is this good." I say to them, "You tell me. You know if something is good or not good. When you're at a restaurant do you ask other people to taste your food and tell you if it's good? Show some confidence."

Then most of them say, "I just want to know if I'll get a good grade." Oh how we've brain washed them.

Don't get me started.

I'm not a teacher, but this makes no sense to me. They are asking you if it is good because you are supposed to be a teacher, someone knowledgeable in the subject matter, a person with more personal experience.

Can you let me know where you teach? Want to make sure my son doesn't go to your school.

(September 26, 2013 at 10:45 pm)Airyaman Wrote:

(September 26, 2013 at 9:30 pm)Faith No More Wrote: I wasn't trotting out a "no true scotsman." When I said that most theists are either confused or lying when they say they were an atheist, that was based on personal experience. Most of the stories I've heard go something like, "I used to be an atheist, and I hated god..."

The same approach is used by Christians when they consider ex-Christians.

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(September 26, 2013 at 10:38 pm)Max_Kolbe Wrote: I was thrilled. I like it when my students stand up for themselves and I really like it when they offer counter points of view. I want my students to critically think and come to their own conclusions.

I often annoy my students when they show me their work and ask, "is this good." I say to them, "You tell me. You know if something is good or not good. When you're at a restaurant do you ask other people to taste your food and tell you if it's good? Show some confidence."

Then most of them say, "I just want to know if I'll get a good grade." Oh how we've brain washed them.

Don't get me started.

I'm not a teacher, but this makes no sense to me. They are asking you if it is good because you are supposed to be a teacher, someone knowledgeable in the subject matter, a person with more personal experience.

Can you let me know where you teach? Want to make sure my son doesn't go to your school.

No, what they are asking is, "what grade will this get me." The focus is too much on grades. We do not teach our students to think for themselves. We teach them to value an arbitrary letter in the alphabet that has no value. Knowledge and skill, that's valuable. The way public schools are set up however, we teach kids to value what other people tell them is valuable. I ask that question because I want my students to begin thinking about these things. I do not want them to go along with the crowd. Even if that means that they come to conclusions that are opposite of mine. I want my students to be critical thinkers in a society that does not value critical thinking.

(September 26, 2013 at 10:55 pm)Max_Kolbe Wrote:

(September 26, 2013 at 10:45 pm)Airyaman Wrote: The same approach is used by Christians when they consider ex-Christians.

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I'm not a teacher, but this makes no sense to me. They are asking you if it is good because you are supposed to be a teacher, someone knowledgeable in the subject matter, a person with more personal experience.

Can you let me know where you teach? Want to make sure my son doesn't go to your school.

No, what they are asking is, "what grade will this get me." The focus is too much on grades. We do not teach our students to think for themselves. We teach them to value an arbitrary letter in the alphabet that has no value. Knowledge and skill, that's valuable. The way public schools are set up however, we teach kids to value what other people tell them is valuable. I ask that question because I want my students to begin thinking about these things. I do not want them to go along with the crowd. Even if that means that they come to conclusions that are opposite of mine. I want my students to be critical thinkers in a society that does not value critical thinking.

So you have become part of the "we" problem then? Are you doing anything beyond mentioning it on an atheist forum?

It seems to me that he is doing more than just mentioning it. I'm not in the classroom when he does it, but judging by his little example, he's the kind of teacher I hope my kids get. I mean, it's not too hard to understand what he is getting at with the whole "you tell me" thing he's got going on there.

Good job.

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