I'm just glad I'm alive and experiencing life the best I can. Gods? They are irrelevant.

(October 3, 2013 at 10:09 am)themonkeyman Wrote:

(October 2, 2013 at 10:31 pm)Godschild Wrote: Do you really believe that solidifying your atheism it will keep you out of hell, I mean really?

GC

Actually dick head I don't believe that it could however considering the multitude of other Gods its very hard to know what to believe.

Why have you resorted to calling me names, I only ask a simple question for you to ponder. What other gods, it seems to me you have concerns only with the God of creation, as you have well noted below.

tmm Wrote:Also If God wanted to send me to hell - His own creation who he 'Supposedly Loved' To believe in Jesus is to base God's forgiveness on a condition. Yet all Christians say his love is unconditional so which is it.

If you have read scriptures as you said then you have read God desires no one to go to everlasting punishment. You act as if you believe God is trying to make you accept Him, the scriptures never indicate this. God the Father gave up His Son just for you, if you were the only sinner in history Christ would have died so you could have an opportunity for redemption. This is the unconditional love of God Christians speak of.

tmm Wrote:The fact that I am solidifying my Atheism is because I know that the whole of Genesis is a load of balls literally a pile of Shit. So considering there is what 65 books to go through I am wondering if further reading will cement this in.

That will be for you to decide, remember this, no one in over 3000 years has shown Genesis to be untrue.

tmm Wrote:Weather I go to hell or not is not the actual problem I just want to get rid of the fear of the 'What If' To be honest no one can know either way. Godschild the fact that you are implicating I am going to hell means you are putting yourself above God like Satan did as you are playing the Judge - Jury and Executioner.

I would think spending eternity in eternal punishment would be a major concern, there is only one way to get rid of the fear, come into a loving relationship with God. That's a tactic those who are looking for an excuse to abandon God use all the time, blame others. I have only what scripture says, I have not judged you, your own guilt has caused you to believe that. As long as the Holy Spirit is working with you the fear of hell will be with you, not because He is giving you that fear, it's because you are not looking for a relationship with God, all you want is insurance to stay out of hell. There is no such thing.

tmm Wrote:Lets have a look,
36"But I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of judgment. 37"For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."

Now who do you think will suffer for their misspoken words, those who do not believe or the forgiven through Christ and the grace of God. Remember the forgiven are not the ones condemned.

tmm Wrote:Your God said that even in the last day that we have a chance to be Justified if we can reason enough! Seriously if you want to say its black and white go on ahead but I don't know If I want to kiss Gods ass for eternity.

The scriptures say that one is saved by faith in Christ, that no one comes to the Father except through Christ, you see anything other than that is of Satan, so who you going to believe Satan who wants to steal you away from God, or the One who desires no man suffer eternal punishment.

tmm Wrote:Also given the fact a Majority of Christians are down right evil / judgemental / egotistical / self richeous bastards like yourself I dont know If I would want to be in heaven.

Well even though you can find plenty of hate in your heart for us, we all desire that you come to know Christ and join us in heaven.

tmm Wrote:Yes we can say eternal torment yadda yadda yadda but if God is so fucking mighty why did he fuck up with Adam and eve who gladly ignored him from day one.

First of all the scriptures do not say Adam and Eve sinned on day one, actually they say God spent the cool of the evenings with them in the garden. They may have lived in the garden for 50,000 years as far as we know, it would not seem to be very long because they had eternal life. Remember there was a war in heaven after the creation was finished, God would not have said all is good on day six if there was or had been a war going on in heaven.

tmm Wrote:And also why did he become threaatened by the Tower of Babel. Seriously these people worked in unity.

First of all God did not feel threatened, that's what you believe because others have repeated it so much, you are being lied to, one of Satan's best weapons against man it even worked on himself.
Second man was trying to lift himself to God's level, just as Satan tried, see any correlation with atheist. God was protecting man by confusing their language. Reading things into scripture does not make scripture say what you want it to, it speaks for itself when read as it's presented.

tmm Wrote:I think the fact you are condemning me means that you will also be condemned.

Show me where scripture says that, and it's not me condemning you, you are doing that all by yourself, remember God says a man is accountable for his own decision, it's not me who is leaving Christ out of your life.

tmm Wrote:So if you are in the states - Take a bullet and a gun and .... You know the rest.

Why are you showing so much hatred toward me, my concern is genuine, not condemning. I will rejoice if you decide to accept Christ as your savior and be very sad if you do not, this is the love God gives Christians, sorry if it upsets you.

GC

(October 3, 2013 at 3:33 pm)Godschild Wrote: Why are you showing so much hatred toward me, my concern is genuine, not condemning. I will rejoice if you decide to accept Christ as your savior and be very sad if you do not, this is the love God gives Christians, sorry if it upsets you.

GC

Why do you not understand that it's not your beliefs nor your silly version of whatever god it is you worship that annoys us?

It's always been the smug, condescending attitude that rubs us up the wrong way.

"You're a heathen sinner and I think you're scum, but that's ok, I've been told to tell you that you can better yourself and elevate yourself to my level."

That's effectively how posts from the resident theists look. Every single goddamn post. It's fucking annoying, and it's more annoying that you don't understand it. What the hell is wrong with you?

(October 3, 2013 at 3:33 pm)Godschild Wrote: That will be for you to decide, remember this, no one in over 3000 years has shown Genesis to be untrue.

You have been shown that the Genesis story is untrue repeatedly on this forum.

You simply don't listen.

(October 2, 2013 at 7:55 am)themonkeyman Wrote: Hi Folks,

I am in a bit of a Predicament, I read yesterday about the pascals wager and so I became a bit skeptic.

Pascal's Wager tends to make skeptics out of reasonable people. Just like any other atrociously stupid idea.

themonkeyman Wrote:Is this a correct view point - Would reading Exodus add more concrete to the Athiest Mixture or would it weaken it.

My advice- don't read the Bible with an eye towards strengthening or weakening your faith. Just read it. It doesn't take long for any sense of mysticism to fade, and soon you realize you're reading a pretty pedestrian anthology of old legends and myths. Don't look for deep messages from god, and don't try to find inconsistencies and contradictions. Just read it. After a while the sense of awe or dread is gone and you're reading a book. That's all.

(October 4, 2013 at 5:49 am)Tonus Wrote:

(October 2, 2013 at 7:55 am)themonkeyman Wrote: Hi Folks,

I am in a bit of a Predicament, I read yesterday about the pascals wager and so I became a bit skeptic.

Pascal's Wager tends to make skeptics out of reasonable people. Just like any other atrociously stupid idea.

themonkeyman Wrote:Is this a correct view point - Would reading Exodus add more concrete to the Athiest Mixture or would it weaken it.

My advice- don't read the Bible with an eye towards strengthening or weakening your faith. Just read it. It doesn't take long for any sense of mysticism to fade, and soon you realize you're reading a pretty pedestrian anthology of old legends and myths. Don't look for deep messages from god, and don't try to find inconsistencies and contradictions. Just read it. After a while the sense of awe or dread is gone and you're reading a book. That's all.

The other thing fans of any holy book could do, but don't do, to understand that it is a comic book myth written in an ignorant age is quite simple.

Anytime they see the name of their head character, they can replace it with "Harry Potter", or "Luke Skywalker", and ask themselves if those fantastic claims would still make sense. They don't do it because they are intellectually afraid and or lazy.

Holy books of all religions belong in the fiction section of book stores and libraries.

(October 4, 2013 at 4:46 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote:

(October 3, 2013 at 3:33 pm)Godschild Wrote: Why are you showing so much hatred toward me, my concern is genuine, not condemning. I will rejoice if you decide to accept Christ as your savior and be very sad if you do not, this is the love God gives Christians, sorry if it upsets you.

GC

Why do you not understand that it's not your beliefs nor your silly version of whatever god it is you worship that annoys us?

It's always been the smug, condescending attitude that rubs us up the wrong way.

"You're a heathen sinner and I think you're scum, but that's ok, I've been told to tell you that you can better yourself and elevate yourself to my level."

That's effectively how posts from the resident theists look. Every single goddamn post. It's fucking annoying, and it's more annoying that you don't understand it. What the hell is wrong with you?

You are what's wrong, you and others read into what we say what you want to believe, I do not judge yet you read into what I write as judgement. You say I write with a condescending attitude, nope, you're reading that into it. It's you who can not see you're the one who wants to believe I do this.

GC

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(October 4, 2013 at 5:41 am)Chas Wrote:

(October 3, 2013 at 3:33 pm)Godschild Wrote: That will be for you to decide, remember this, no one in over 3000 years has shown Genesis to be untrue.

You have been shown that the Genesis story is untrue repeatedly on this forum.

You simply don't listen.

Your mistaken sir, no proof has been given, period.

Gc

(October 4, 2013 at 10:46 am)Godschild Wrote:

(October 4, 2013 at 4:46 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: Why do you not understand that it's not your beliefs nor your silly version of whatever god it is you worship that annoys us?

It's always been the smug, condescending attitude that rubs us up the wrong way.

"You're a heathen sinner and I think you're scum, but that's ok, I've been told to tell you that you can better yourself and elevate yourself to my level."

That's effectively how posts from the resident theists look. Every single goddamn post. It's fucking annoying, and it's more annoying that you don't understand it. What the hell is wrong with you?

You are what's wrong, you and others read into what we say what you want to believe, I do not judge yet you read into what I write as judgement. You say I write with a condescending attitude, nope, you're reading that into it. It's you who can not see you're the one who wants to believe I do this.

GC

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(October 4, 2013 at 5:41 am)Chas Wrote: You have been shown that the Genesis story is untrue repeatedly on this forum.

You simply don't listen.

Your mistaken sir, no proof has been given, period.

Gc

Convincing evidence has been given. There is no evidence for the Genesis creation stories while there is a great deal of evidence for naturalistic explanations.

(October 4, 2013 at 11:18 am)Chas Wrote:

(October 4, 2013 at 10:46 am)Godschild Wrote: You are what's wrong, you and others read into what we say what you want to believe, I do not judge yet you read into what I write as judgement. You say I write with a condescending attitude, nope, you're reading that into it. It's you who can not see you're the one who wants to believe I do this.

GC

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Your mistaken sir, no proof has been given, period.

Gc

Convincing evidence has been given. There is no evidence for the Genesis creation stories while there is a great deal of evidence for naturalistic explanations.

Any book that treats the sun and moon as separate sources of light, any book that pops adult men suddenly out of dirt, and pops an adult woman out of a man's rib, can only be considered a comic book.

It simply bothers believers that facts get in the way of their fantasy.

(October 4, 2013 at 10:46 am)Godschild Wrote: Your mistaken sir, no proof has been given, period.

Gc

Incidentally, would you like to retract the claim you made on the previous page, and admit you were wrong, since I did give proof that you were?

I mean, that would be the honest thing to do, from a man clearly so respectful of the primacy of evidence, wouldn't it?