Abiogenesis happened. Fact. You wouldn't be here to make this stupid thread if it didn't. How Abiogenesis happened is the uncertain part for now. But rest assured there are people a million times more intelligent than most of us (and several billion times more intelligent than you) using their expert knowledge, and working their arses off to answer that question as we speak.

Your God on the other hand, is bullshit. There isn't a single thing to suggest it ever existed.

Also, you really need to listen when people tell you that the theory of evolution has nothing to do with abiogenesis. They are wholly separate. Evolutionary theory cares only that life exists, wherever it came from. Abiogenesis, Gods, Aliens, or whatever. It makes no difference to the theory where life came from because the theory only deals with life that already exists.

(October 5, 2013 at 6:30 am)NoraBrimstone Wrote: Abiogenesis happened. Fact. You wouldn't be here to make this stupid thread if it didn't. How Abiogenesis happened is the uncertain part for now. But rest assured there are people a million times more intelligent than most of us (and several billion times more intelligent than you) using their expert knowledge, and working their arses off to answer that question as we speak.

Your God on the other hand, is bullshit. There isn't a single thing to suggest it ever existed.

Also, you really need to listen when people tell you that the theory of evolution has nothing to do with abiogenesis. They are wholly separate. Evolutionary theory cares only that life exists, wherever it came from. Abiogenesis, Gods, Aliens, or whatever. It makes no difference to the theory where life came from because the theory only deals with life that already exists.

I asked for evidence for abiogenesis. Your said that it must have happened.

God did it then, because I already showed it could not have happened anyway else.

If you are saying God did it, I agree.

(October 5, 2013 at 6:29 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: Please prove that abiogenesis happened with real evidence and no assumptions.

I already showed that it could not ever happen.

You seem entirely unwilling to present any evidence for your god: shall I assume then, that you don't have any?

Then perhaps you can answer this question: if I say that I don't know how abiogenesis occurred, but that we have some very good experimental results that show that it's possible, how would that answer make god true in any way?

(October 5, 2013 at 6:39 am)Esquilax Wrote:

(October 5, 2013 at 6:29 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: Please prove that abiogenesis happened with real evidence and no assumptions.

I already showed that it could not ever happen.

You seem entirely unwilling to present any evidence for your god: shall I assume then, that you don't have any?

Then perhaps you can answer this question: if I say that I don't know how abiogenesis occurred, but that we have some very good experimental results that show that it's possible, how would that answer make god true in any way?

Unless you can refute this post, I have shown God must exist.

Next step is to identify God.

Go ahead and prove God then. Or are you just gonna sit there and pretend God did it until the scientists working on it figure out how it actually happened? Kinda like you people did until they figured out how rainbows happened?

(October 5, 2013 at 6:41 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: Unless you can refute this post, I have shown God must exist.

No, that's not the way claims regarding reality works. You need positive evidence, not merely contentions with an opposing claim.

If I say it isn't hot, it doesn't necessarily follow that it must therefore be cold. Do you understand?

(October 5, 2013 at 6:44 am)NoraBrimstone Wrote: Go ahead and prove God then. Or are you just gonna sit there and pretend God did it until the scientists working on it figure out how it actually happened? Kinda like you people did until they figured out how rainbows happened?

Without God, abiogenesis is impossible. That is proved by this topic's post.

Therefore God must exist.

Next step is to identify God.

(October 5, 2013 at 6:48 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote:

(October 5, 2013 at 6:44 am)NoraBrimstone Wrote: Go ahead and prove God then. Or are you just gonna sit there and pretend God did it until the scientists working on it figure out how it actually happened? Kinda like you people did until they figured out how rainbows happened?

Without God, abiogenesis is impossible. That is proved by this topic's post.

Therefore God must exist.

Next step is to identify God.

No. You can't just go shoving your imaginary friend into any little gaps that exist. That defies logic. Do you remember logic? If your favourite number happens to be 7, and you're too stupid to understand how to calculate 1+1, you can't just say 1+1=7 because you don't understand why it should be 2, and you prefer 7 anyway. That's what you're basically doing here. Filling shit you don't understand with your favourite, yet ridiculous, answer.

(October 5, 2013 at 6:52 am)NoraBrimstone Wrote:

(October 5, 2013 at 6:48 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: Without God, abiogenesis is impossible. That is proved by this topic's post.

Therefore God must exist.

Next step is to identify God.

No. You can't just go shoving your imaginary friend into any little gaps that exist. That defies logic. Do you remember logic? If your favourite number happens to be 7, and you're too stupid to understand how to calculate 1+1, you can't just say 1+1=7 because you don't understand why it should be 2, and you prefer 7 anyway. That's what you're basically doing here. Filling shit you don't understand with your favourite, yet ridiculous, answer.

Simple logic.

Assume no God
That lead to contradictions in determining where everything came from.
Therefor God is.

(October 5, 2013 at 6:29 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote:

(October 5, 2013 at 6:20 am)Esquilax Wrote: Grace, maybe you're not paying attention to the usernames here, but I'm one of a few of us who did answer your simple questions seriously, and in order. I did so within the first few pages of the thread, and you have so far failed to respond to that post. The record simply shows this to be true; my response, and your absence of acknowledgement, are still there, right now.


I'm challenging you directly, right now. I want an exchange of ideas, but a part of that would be you providing evidence of your own, like I have done with multiple links all over this thread and all your others. Thus far, you've provided nothing but a bare assertion, and my question before, as it is now, is can you support your claim of a god beyond the mere argument from ignorance that you can't see how a secular perspective could answer the questions that you have?

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That's not exactly true, but then, so far you've seemed impervious to responses, let alone rebuttals. You understand that nothing in reality happens in a vacuum, right? And that every development toward the current state of life on earth is scaffolded by the ones that came before them, and the physical laws of the universe that they inhabit? There's nothing miraculous about this.


Except you're not adhering to mere theism, aren't you?

Please prove that abiogenesis happened with real evidence and no assumptions.

I already showed that it could not ever happen.

You have not shown that abiogenesis could not happen, you are only making an argument from personal incredulity.

I elsewhere explained that you have no understanding of probability and therefore cannot even begin to understand how ludicrous your argument is.