(October 10, 2013 at 12:53 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:

(October 10, 2013 at 9:47 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: I did provide evidence.
That is what the topics consisted of.

Pointing to reality and saying, "look how complex everything is! I can't imagine how it could have happened without a god, therefore it must have been God", is not evidence.

It sure is.

Go to New York City, walk around and tell everyone you can that all that stuff was not the product of intelligence.

Record their comments and report on the findings.

(October 10, 2013 at 12:55 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote:

(October 10, 2013 at 12:53 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Pointing to reality and saying, "look how complex everything is! I can't imagine how it could have happened without a god, therefore it must have been God", is not evidence.

It sure is.

Go to New York City, walk around and tell everyone you can that all that stuff was not the product of intelligence.

Record their comments and report on the findings.

No, go to NYC and ask everyone you can, "Do you understand the difference between a skyscraper and a fucking tree?"

Record their comments and report on the findings.

(October 10, 2013 at 12:55 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote:

(October 10, 2013 at 12:53 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Pointing to reality and saying, "look how complex everything is! I can't imagine how it could have happened without a god, therefore it must have been God", is not evidence.

It sure is.

Go to New York City, walk around and tell everyone you can that all that stuff was not the product of intelligence.

Record their comments and report on the findings.

Buildings have designs and designers that demonstrably exist.

Analogy fail.

(October 10, 2013 at 1:06 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:

(October 10, 2013 at 12:55 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: It sure is.

Go to New York City, walk around and tell everyone you can that all that stuff was not the product of intelligence.

Record their comments and report on the findings.

Buildings have designs and designers that demonstrably exist.

Analogy fail.

So there is no need for the experiment you proved my point,

I found a book, never heard of the title, but I know it is a product of intelligence.

There are many products I have come across and had never seen before but I knew they were the products of intelligence.

(October 10, 2013 at 12:55 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote:

(October 10, 2013 at 12:53 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Pointing to reality and saying, "look how complex everything is! I can't imagine how it could have happened without a god, therefore it must have been God", is not evidence.

It sure is.

Go to New York City, walk around and tell everyone you can that all that stuff was not the product of intelligence.

Record their comments and report on the findings.

Analogy fail is right.

We don't detect design because of complexity.

We detect design when we contrast it with NATURE.

(October 10, 2013 at 1:11 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:

(October 10, 2013 at 12:55 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: It sure is.

Go to New York City, walk around and tell everyone you can that all that stuff was not the product of intelligence.

Record their comments and report on the findings.

Analogy fail is right.

We don't detect design because of complexity.

We detect design when we contrast it with NATURE.

Not at all. We do not know where the complexity of nature comes from. For products of mankind we know and that proves complex design comes from nature.

But that shows that in every instance where we do know where it comes from, it is an intelligent being.

So the scientific principle has been established.

The vast complexity of life is more complex than anything we have made and in fact are very intelligence is a product of that.

Therefore, the vast complexity of life comes from a very intelligent Creator, aka God.

(October 10, 2013 at 1:10 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote:

(October 10, 2013 at 1:06 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Buildings have designs and designers that demonstrably exist.

Analogy fail.

So there is no need for the experiment you proved my point,

I found a book, never heard of the title, but I know it is a product of intelligence.

There are many products I have come across and had never seen before but I knew they were the products of intelligence.

And how is it that you know that? Are you claiming it's a result of pure intuition?

Or is it because you can compare and contrast different objects and use inductive reasoning? (When I say you, I don't literally mean "you", because you apparently can't).

(October 10, 2013 at 1:23 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:

(October 10, 2013 at 1:10 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: So there is no need for the experiment you proved my point,

I found a book, never heard of the title, but I know it is a product of intelligence.

There are many products I have come across and had never seen before but I knew they were the products of intelligence.

And how is it that you know that? Are you claiming it's a result of pure intuition?

Or is it because you can compare and contrast different objects and use inductive reasoning? (When I say you, I don't literally mean "you", because you apparently can't).

Simple scientific principle and reasoning.

(October 10, 2013 at 12:55 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: Go to New York City, walk around and tell everyone you can that all that stuff was not the product of intelligence.

Record their comments and report on the findings.

Are you talking about your posts?

(October 10, 2013 at 1:11 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:

(October 10, 2013 at 12:55 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: It sure is.

Go to New York City, walk around and tell everyone you can that all that stuff was not the product of intelligence.

Record their comments and report on the findings.

Analogy fail is right.

We don't detect design because of complexity.

We detect design when we contrast it with NATURE.

This is all well and good, but it is still a distraction.

The believer cant wrap their head around the absurdity of an "all powerful" god creating everything, who still dodges the nasty crap that exists, and refuses to blame their god for what they didn't have to allow in the first place.

And it also fails to address "which god".

When you pull shit out of your ass you can make any absurdity work and have it both ways.