(October 14, 2013 at 12:24 pm)snowtracks Wrote: now, please tell us who created ur god, becouse all irriducably complex things r supposed to have a creator
so god beeing a creator himself , must be therefore even more irriducably complex.....so must have a creator.

the odds, what about the odds?
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what odds...

(October 14, 2013 at 12:52 pm)popeyespappy Wrote: I would like to think the latter. As far as remaining silent Venter has some impressive credentials as a scientist. However his primary concern for the past several years have been more business related than technical. He has people that do the science. He just worries about the money. As such it could be he is just trying not to step on too many toes. Which shouldn't be too hard as I believe he is more or less retired now and spends most of his time sailing around the world.

Well, at least he's making fewer postdocs miserable- he has a HORRIBLE reputation, although I am impressed by his minimal genome work- it's something I have tinkered with in far easier viral systems, and it's a headache.

It's true that the tree of life one sees in textbooks is really outdated- the relationships between organisms are far more complex than the traditional idea of a tree supports. I don't see any compelling evidence that the differences in nucleotide structure of some bacteria necessarily point to anything other than common descent, but wouldn't it be thrilling to see evidence that multiple types of nucleotides arose independently! If Venter isn't willing to argue the case, I don't see anyone else taking it on, though.

(October 14, 2013 at 12:24 pm)snowtracks Wrote: the odds, what about the odds?

What are the odds of god being created by random chance out of nothing?

(October 14, 2013 at 5:37 am)Creed of Heresy Wrote: No. Abiogenesis is not impossible. It has been scientifically proven to be quite plausible.

You are a tool, a moron, and an ignorant slug. You don't know what you're talking about. Run back to the playground, because the adults are talking, here.

Next thread, please. Hopefully not one started by someone who didn't pass 5th grade science class.

The impossibility being claimed here is spontaneous life from non-life WITHOUT the involvement of other life - including scientists and/or God.

Sure, you can claim something is scientifically plausible, but you have to ALSO then agree it's plausible that a Higher Being exists in some other space/time dimension.

Wanna talk about panspermia? The plausibility of the multiverse hypothesis?

(October 14, 2013 at 2:33 pm)Lion IRC Wrote:

(October 14, 2013 at 5:37 am)Creed of Heresy Wrote: No. Abiogenesis is not impossible. It has been scientifically proven to be quite plausible.

You are a tool, a moron, and an ignorant slug. You don't know what you're talking about. Run back to the playground, because the adults are talking, here.

Next thread, please. Hopefully not one started by someone who didn't pass 5th grade science class.

The impossibility being claimed here is spontaneous life from non-life WITHOUT the involvement of other life - including scientists and/or God.

Sure, you can claim something is scientifically plausible, but you have to ALSO then agree it's plausible that a Higher Being exists in some other space/time dimension.

Wanna talk about panspermia? The plausibility of the multiverse hypothesis?

and how came that higher beeing into existance??

(October 14, 2013 at 2:35 pm)daandaan Wrote:

(October 14, 2013 at 2:33 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: The impossibility being claimed here is spontaneous life from non-life WITHOUT the involvement of other life - including scientists and/or God.

Sure, you can claim something is scientifically plausible, but you have to ALSO then agree it's plausible that a Higher Being exists in some other space/time dimension.

Wanna talk about panspermia? The plausibility of the multiverse hypothesis?

and how came that higher beeing into existance??

It not did was came into the existance.

(October 14, 2013 at 2:37 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: It not did was came into the existance.

Neither did the universe.

(October 14, 2013 at 2:37 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: It not did was came into the existance.

Is that you, Yoda?

(October 14, 2013 at 2:37 pm)Lion IRC Wrote:

(October 14, 2013 at 2:35 pm)daandaan Wrote: and how came that higher beeing into existance??

It not did was came into the existance.

elaborate on ``It not did was came into the existance``.

(October 14, 2013 at 2:37 pm)Lion IRC Wrote:

(October 14, 2013 at 2:35 pm)daandaan Wrote: and how came that higher beeing into existance??

It not did was came into the existance.

Care to try again, but using the correct grammar?