Interesting

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Another misleading affirmation. This is the problem with equivocating between 'nothingness' as usually meant and however physicist X is using 'nothingness'. If you're going to say that the laws of quantum mechanics allows for weird things, then you're already assuming there is in fact something which follows those laws. And usually when referring to 'nothingness' (itself a contradiction in terms; 'nothingness' isn't a referant), physicists seem to mean empty space. Why not just say 'empty space' (assuming they mean such)?

(October 20, 2013 at 2:03 am)MindForgedManacle Wrote: Another misleading affirmation. This is the problem with equivocating between 'nothingness' as usually meant and however physicist X is using 'nothingness'. If you're going to say that the laws of quantum mechanics allows for weird things, then you're already assuming there is in fact something which follows those laws. And usually when referring to 'nothingness' (itself a contradiction in terms; 'nothingness' isn't a referant), physicists seem to mean empty space. Why not just say 'empty space' (assuming they mean such)?

This is fast becoming the hardest question to answer in physics. What is nothingness? Krauss, in more recent interviews is sticking to his version and saying no particles, no fields, no laws of physics - nothing.

As quantum physics presumably follows some sort of rules (even ones we don't/can't(?) know) one can argue that Krauss' nothing is still not quite nothing.

My problem is I can feel my mind melting as I try to figure this shit out.

Well most of the universe is made up of "nothing", as in the majority of the mass of the universe is essentially nothing to our observations (anyone know if we have had any actual readings to verify an observation of this mass?)....aka dark energy.

Really old news...

Hey we live in a country where 20% of the population can't locate the US on a map. So old news or not it needs to be hammered home.

(October 20, 2013 at 2:39 am)Aractus Wrote: Really old news...

Its still an ongoing debate. What do you mean old news? Its proving as hard to define "nothing" as it is to define God.

Actually, scientifically speaking "nothing" doesn't exist. All models, including self-creating models, are based on the fact that energy will exist within the system...