Killing someone can be justifiable in some circumstances, case by case basis. But killing someone for reason A can be wrong even if there's an unknown reason B that makes this person deserve death.

So if you kill someone because you think they're committing witchcraft and you think that makes it justifiable, you're wrong. Even if you find out 5 days later this person tortured your mum to death, you were wrong to kill this person for the reason you did.

In any case, is it ever justified to burn someone to death? I don't believe it is ever justified to cause pain for no other reason than to make yourself feel good, which is the idea of long drawn out deaths.

(October 27, 2013 at 4:08 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote: I'm hoping this was Drich's idea of a joke. It's not easy to tell; one kind of belief in magic vs. another after all.

Not a joke, just some topical Halloween discussion as per the op.

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(October 27, 2013 at 4:30 pm)Psykhronic Wrote: I'm not too worried about anyone using witchcraft on my family since I have no reason to think such a thing would be worth a single concern.

Now, if someone came barreling into my front door trying to kill us all with like, weapons and shit, I'd be pretty pissed. Killing those intruders would not necessarily be a bad thing since there is a real threat and we have a will to survive.

What if they did all that in the name of witchcraft?

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(October 27, 2013 at 6:09 pm)Ivy Wrote: Oh yey! A Drich thread!

The question should not be whether it would be bad to kill a witch, rather would it be acceptable to kill someone who is tormenting your family. The person could be atheist and if she tried to torture my family, she's dead.

Now if you want to ask me... Ivy, but say it was clear that it was not natural what was being done? I'd question if I was sane. I'd question what was in my dinner. I'd question my medication if any. I'd question. Unless there was no time and my family and I could die. Kill now, face institution later. Self defense, self defense, self defense.

I have seen and heard a lot about things that seem not natural, but as I said to a friend earlier this week: The fact that I don't know does not lead me to say "therefore, god", or in this case, witch.

So self defense is ok even if your are being tormented in the name of satan?

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(October 27, 2013 at 6:21 pm)Optimistic Mysanthrope Wrote: I think it's fair to say that the general consensus is that whether or not someone is a witch is irrelevant when discussing the morality of killing

Edited due to appalling sentence structure

Now that the morality of killing a witch has been put aside, would you then go after or hunt a witch? What would it take to get to that point?

(October 27, 2013 at 12:56 pm)Drich Wrote: Google it, Witchcraft is a real religion, albeit very benign today. A few hundred years ago it was the only real option to Christianity in the west. It's practitioners did all sorts of terrible things in the name of satan. Whether satan endowed those people with powers or not the underlying fact is that much torment and destruction was doled out in his name. Much like the crusades or inquisitions.

That in mind the question stands how much would it take to kill someone else who was trying to worship their deity by tormenting you/your family?

Witchcraft is not a religion. It is a practice. Witchcraft also has nothing to do with satan or satanism. Please do your research.

(October 27, 2013 at 7:44 pm)Ivy Wrote:

Quote:Common do you really think a loving God would let a Christian be subjected to a which like the movie the 'Conjuring proposes'

But what if the god is not loving? I'm atheist, but I'm trying to think outside the box. Suppose there was a god. He is most certainly not babysitting us. I mean, if he allows for kids to be raped, kids to starve, women to be sold as candy, etc... why would he not allow witches to torture?

The bible does not say God loves everyone. There are even those in whom God hates. The love of God is manifest in the forgiveness of sin for those who seek it. Otherwise we are allowed to be as crappy as we want to be. Why? Because we have the ability to sin. To God all sin is the same. If we are allowed to do one then all are on the table.

(October 27, 2013 at 7:56 pm)Drich Wrote:

(October 27, 2013 at 3:51 pm)futilethewinds Wrote: There are witches, though typically they don't do anything in Satan's name... most of them don't believe in Satan. They're typically neo-pagans and as such believe in one or more deities from ancient Greek, Roman, Hindu, Egyptian, or other mythologies. Rarely do you see any of them performing ritual sacrifice or doing anything else remotely evil.

Those would be benign witches. Now what of the aggressive ones?

They pretty much don't exist.

(October 27, 2013 at 7:56 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: This is an odd thread. Am I missing something? Drich, are you trying to justify the Witch Trials or something?

No, just trying to put some of you in the shoes of those who have killed witches in what they believe to be self defense. Then I am asking how far beyond self defense is this idea of protecting ones family allowed to go?

(October 27, 2013 at 7:57 pm)Drich Wrote:

(October 27, 2013 at 6:21 pm)Optimistic Mysanthrope Wrote: I think it's fair to say that the general consensus is that whether or not someone is a witch is irrelevant when discussing the morality of killing

Edited due to appalling sentence structure

Now that the morality of killing a witch has been put aside, would you then go after or hunt a witch? What would it take to get to that point?

Well, it's not really a case of setting aside the morality of killing a witch. It's more a case of setting aside being a witch when discussing whether or not it can be moral to kill. In that regard, I think my limits would be the same as many other people. I couldn't really give you a list of criteria, since it would depend on situation, context, certainty of guilt, reliability of the judicial system in the matter etc....

(October 27, 2013 at 7:56 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: Killing someone can be justifiable in some circumstances, case by case basis. But killing someone for reason A can be wrong even if there's an unknown reason B that makes this person deserve death.

So if you kill someone because you think they're committing witchcraft and you think that makes it justifiable, you're wrong. Even if you find out 5 days later this person tortured your mum to death, you were wrong to kill this person for the reason you did.

In any case, is it ever justified to burn someone to death? I don't believe it is ever justified to cause pain for no other reason than to make yourself feel good, which is the idea of long drawn out deaths.

This response does not conform to the parameters I gave in the op. If you wish to be apart of this discussion then please address the parameters in the op.

How about this Drich, Stimbo already gave an example of institutionalized targeting of witches by those who claim your religion, whose victims were burned alive, doused with acid, hammered in the head with nails or beaten and starved to death by the Pastors of "churches". And that's in this century.

How about you provide some examples (not from movies which are make believe, if you didn't know that) of witches killing others in the name of "satan". Or anyone else. In response to your hypothetical witch threat, I'd still say no. I always have and always will say taking away someone's life is not called for at any point of time unless they're actively physically attacking you with a threat to your life.

Drich...........


I am drunk.

So explain to me why burning a witch is sometimes a good thing.