(November 5, 2013 at 10:07 am)John V Wrote: This is incorrect. Hurting Job was Satan's idea, and Satan performed the actions. Yes, god allows it

Which is why God is not a good guy in this story. I hope you never become so righteous that God has a bet with Satan about you, because you probably won't like it.

(November 5, 2013 at 7:08 am)themonkeyman Wrote: Kinda fucked here - Now for all the Christians here, This came from the Message which is technically Scripture, Please feel free to call it a lie but in doing so remember this is a Paraphrase of your own core belief.

What's kinda fucked is that you're an idiot.
Prove that garbage is one of my core beliefs. (hint, it isn't)

Have fun fuckwad.

(November 5, 2013 at 10:36 am)catfish Wrote: What's kinda fucked is that you're an idiot.
Prove that garbage is one of my core beliefs. (hint, it isn't)

Have fun fuckwad.

He wasn't even specifically calling you out. If you don't hold the same core belief simply exclude yourself from the statement.

(November 5, 2013 at 10:43 am)ToriJ Wrote:

(November 5, 2013 at 10:36 am)catfish Wrote: What's kinda fucked is that you're an idiot.
Prove that garbage is one of my core beliefs. (hint, it isn't)

Have fun fuckwad.

He wasn't even specifically calling you out. If you don't hold the same core belief simply exclude yourself from the statement.

"Now for all the Christians here"

Please go away newb, unless you like...

(November 5, 2013 at 10:47 am)catfish Wrote: "Now for all the Christians here"

Please go away newb, unless you like...

So, you are a Christian? If you're not then I fail to see why or how the statement bothers you so.

(November 5, 2013 at 9:35 am)John V Wrote:

(November 4, 2013 at 6:58 pm)Dionysius Wrote: 4) Satan attacks Job.

Strangely, you include something like this in every summary you give, yet fail to comprehend it.

What's to comprehend? When a Judge sends a person to the gas chamber who is guilty of the execution, the one doing the sentencing (supreme authority) or the one mixing the chemicals (executioner) which kills?


Your reasoning says that the IMPERFECT, LIMITED KNOWLEDGE executioner some how waylays the PERFECT, OMNIPOTENT judges superior foreknowledge and reasoning.



It just doesn't work McFly. Which is why you MUST disagree. My advice is to renounce or at the very least revamp your theology - it's got you on the slo-boat

if god already knew the outcome of the bet (he knows everything after all), then I'd say he's merely a sadistic bastard.

(November 5, 2013 at 10:59 am)Dionysius Wrote: What's to comprehend? When a Judge sends a person to the gas chamber who is guilty of the execution, the one doing the sentencing (supreme authority) or the one mixing the chemicals (executioner) which kills?

Bad analogy. God doesn't order Satan to do anything. He says that Job is in Satan's hands. Satan could have decided he didn't want to torture Job. How you guys ignore this point is beyond me.

As I had mentioned earlier, no apologist can worm their way around the implications posed in the Book of Job. It's just not possible.

Satan also could have killed Job. Why did he abide by God's no kill rule if God doesn't give orders to him?

And knowing Satan's track record I personally wouldn't trust him to decide not to harm someone on his own.