Ahahaha! Ah GC, I thank you for speaking like you knew something. I encourage anyone thinking of suicide to read your posts, they will quicly realize they are not as far the deep end as you are, hence plenty of reason to live.

(November 6, 2013 at 3:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: Scripture tells us that God doesn't tempt, so how is it you can blame God for your sin, did He force you to make wrong decisions. If you happen to be talking about Adam and Eve, then you must believe that God shouldn't have given us choice.

I think the main problem is that many of the sins that we will be punished for- lacking belief, for one- are entirely arbitrary and in no way affect god at all; he's configured an eternal punishment based on his own intolerable busybody nature, and despite our free will that's so important, has forced each and every one of us into it. Furthermore, given how infinite punishment for a finite crime is inherently immoral, then yes, god has set up a system that he not only has no need to set up, but also that directly contradicts his supposedly moral nature.

(November 6, 2013 at 3:36 pm)Esquilax Wrote:

(November 6, 2013 at 3:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: Scripture tells us that God doesn't tempt, so how is it you can blame God for your sin, did He force you to make wrong decisions. If you happen to be talking about Adam and Eve, then you must believe that God shouldn't have given us choice.

I think the main problem is that many of the sins that we will be punished for- lacking belief, for one- are entirely arbitrary and in no way affect god at all; he's configured an eternal punishment based on his own intolerable busybody nature, and despite our free will that's so important, has forced each and every one of us into it. Furthermore, given how infinite punishment for a finite crime is inherently immoral, then yes, god has set up a system that he not only has no need to set up, but also that directly contradicts his supposedly moral nature.

Are you still having trouble distinguishing between aeonian and aidios?
I'm starting to think you have a learning disability.

(November 6, 2013 at 6:23 pm)catfish Wrote: Are you still having trouble distinguishing between aeonian and aidios?
I'm starting to think you have a learning disability.

Fishy, I understand that you believe that the alternate, impermanent reading of that word should be employed there, and I understand how much you want that to be true, but since you refuse to actually support that claim with any more than scoffing sarcasm, I have no reason to believe you, and given your history of doing nothing but insisting that you're right, you lack the credibility for me to do so out of hand.

Given this, I think I'll go with the definition of hell that I've been given by the majority of christians that I've interacted with, rather than a single admitted cherry picker.

(November 6, 2013 at 6:28 pm)Esquilax Wrote:

(November 6, 2013 at 6:23 pm)catfish Wrote: Are you still having trouble distinguishing between aeonian and aidios?
I'm starting to think you have a learning disability.

Fishy, I understand that you believe that the alternate, impermanent reading of that word should be employed there, and I understand how much you want that to be true, but since you refuse to actually support that claim with any more than scoffing sarcasm, I have no reason to believe you, and given your history of doing nothing but insisting that you're right, you lack the credibility for me to do so out of hand.

Given this, I think I'll go with the definition of hell that I've been given by the majority of christians that I've interacted with, rather than a single admitted cherry picker.

Sheeple, one of the flock...

I find it hillarious that it was you who posted the definition of aeonian and still denied what it said. Wasn't that you? If not, I know that you're aware of it. Don't you remember the biblical dictionary? "of or pertaining to an eon: I.E. God's "eternal" love... lol

Anyways, I don't have to "support" my definition when you guys do it for me. So, you go right ahead believing your "majority of" Christians, I'll continue to use my own brain and not believing blindly.

(November 6, 2013 at 6:42 pm)catfish Wrote: I find it hillarious that it was you who posted the definition of aeonian and still denied what it said. Wasn't that you? If not, I know that you're aware of it. Don't you remember the biblical dictionary? "of or pertaining to an eon: I.E. God's "eternal" love... lol

Actually, when last we discussed this, it was you who provided the definition, and you provided two of them: one being the one you've used here, and the other being literally eternal. Perhaps your argument has morphed since then; I don't care, as I was wisely opting to ignore you at that stage. Since you still see no need to provide anything more than bare assertions, as the worst of your religion so often does, I can see that I was justified in that.

Please, come back when you're ready to argue like an adult, instead of stamping your feet and demanding that we believe you like a child, Fish.

(November 6, 2013 at 6:50 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Please, come back when you're ready to argue like an adult, instead of stamping your feet and demanding that we believe you like a child, Fish.

Hmmm, don't take this as an accusation, but I'd like to know if it was your post that made me put this here:
http://atheistforums.org/thread-19080-po...#pid397487

The link doesn't work because the thread is gone or something???

(November 6, 2013 at 6:26 am)Tonus Wrote:

(November 5, 2013 at 2:21 pm)Godschild Wrote: Why is it unfair for God to punish for an eternity, would it actually be fair to reward for eternity and then not punish for eternity?

That depends. What is the cutoff for going to hell or to heaven? And are the punishments and rewards the same for everyone who falls into one of the categories?

The cutoff as you put it, salvation. No that is determined by what one does here. Very simple to understand, God did not make this hard.

GC

(November 6, 2013 at 7:38 pm)catfish Wrote: Hmmm, don't take this as an accusation, but I'd like to know if it was your post that made me put this here:
http://atheistforums.org/thread-19080-po...#pid397487

The link doesn't work because the thread is gone or something???

No idea, but I do remember making the argument that either of us could be right. My point, however, was that just because the word might mean what you say it does, doesn't mean it does so in that context, and that without evidence as to the author's original intent, we've got no way to justifiably take one definition over the other.

Meanwhile, from my perspective, the entire book is an exercise in engineering obedience, sometimes through fear; thinking of hell as eternal makes sense. Moreover, it's the definition that the majority of your religion seems to have taken on, so I've got no issue with arguing from that. If you've got a case to make for the other definition, then make it, but as far as I can remember, you've kinda refused to in the past.

(November 5, 2013 at 2:21 pm)Godschild Wrote: Why is it unfair for God to punish for an eternity, would it actually be fair to reward for eternity and then not punish for eternity?
GC

Why does god insist on forcing us into either of those two choices? I would choose neither.