(December 7, 2013 at 9:02 am)Chas Wrote:

(December 6, 2013 at 9:13 pm)Godschild Wrote: The God of Judaism and Christianity are the One and same, period.

Well, except for the god of Christianity having a son, and the god of Judaism not. Are you overlooking that little detail?

No, just because the Jews do not accept Jesus does not change the unchanging God. They are expecting the Son to come.

GC

(December 7, 2013 at 5:47 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(December 7, 2013 at 9:02 am)Chas Wrote: Well, except for the god of Christianity having a son, and the god of Judaism not. Are you overlooking that little detail?

No, just because the Jews do not accept Jesus does not change the unchanging God. They are expecting the Son to come.

GC

It could be argued that the Jews DID accept Jesus and that Judeo-Christianity went on to become the biggest branch of the same tree.

(December 7, 2013 at 5:47 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(December 7, 2013 at 9:02 am)Chas Wrote: Well, except for the god of Christianity having a son, and the god of Judaism not. Are you overlooking that little detail?

No, just because the Jews do not accept Jesus does not change the unchanging God. They are expecting the Son to come.

GC

hence the reason why they observe OT law. God to them is still the vengeful god who opens up the earth and swallows them and promised them that they're the chosen people. Jews wont marry non Jews for a reason.
Christians on the other hand believe Jesus made that sacrifice god required and therefore god is a totally different beast in the NT. Same god, sure. Different stipulations. I think that's what Esquilax was saying..

(December 7, 2013 at 5:47 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(December 7, 2013 at 9:02 am)Chas Wrote: Well, except for the god of Christianity having a son, and the god of Judaism not. Are you overlooking that little detail?

No, just because the Jews do not accept Jesus does not change the unchanging God. They are expecting the Son to come.

GC

Expressing your Christian antisemitism will only kill your credibility.

When did that happen, Marx? Stating fact last I checked, is not a negation.

@Godschild

I'd still like to see some references on the "Allah was a moon god" thing. It may take some time, I understand. I know nearly nothing about Allah or Islam aside from the pap fed to me by the 24-hour news shits, so this argument is interesting.

Meanwhile, Moses worshipped a Volcano God... Or just a volcano.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtI-lSvS...ata_player

Allah as moon god

"Allah is moon god nonsense"

(December 7, 2013 at 6:44 am)Godschild Wrote:

(December 7, 2013 at 4:18 am)missluckie26 Wrote: I find this interesting because when I was a Christian, the baptists and the Calvary chapels I attended all said YHWH was a false name for god and was not used.
Here's the best site I can find that explains what I was told about it.

I do not know how this person or persons could have screwed up scripture so badly. In the scriptures Asherah is always recognized as a false goddess and never ever associated with God Yahweh or Adonai. The verse given hear is speaking of the destruction of the Baal and Asherah idols and the male prostitutes and the females working in the temple. Read 2nd Kings 23 and see for yourself. As far as I can tell this is a group that wants to twist scripture to fit their dislike for the Jewish people.
The OT references to Lord are 'adown' meaning to rule, sovereign, master. Adonay used as a proper name of God only. Yahh the sacred name. Most commonly Yehovah, self existence or eternal One.
elohiym and other 'els' are used for God, Yehovih is also used for God.
Many names are used for God in the OT, but nowhere does the scriptures even elude to God having a wife of any kind. All that crap came from the false worship of God when the Jewish people also worshiped Baal and Asherah.
This is the very reason God wanted the Israelites to wipe out all the people of the land they were to occupy, He did not want them to get mixed up in theses false gods and the worship of them. If they had obeyed Him none of this would have ever happened through the Israelites. Things get out of whack when God is not listened to.

GC

Where are you getting your information?
I'm just starting to delve into all this, so forgive my confusion and ignorance. What authority is the authority about this subject, to you?

Google search Ashera Wrote:http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asherah



Between the 10th century BC and the beginning of their exile in 586 polytheism was normal throughout Israel; [9] it was only after the exile that worship of Yahweh alone became established, and possibly only as late as the time of the Maccabees (2nd century BC) that monotheism became universal among Jews. [10][11] Some biblical scholars believe that Asherah at one time was worshiped as the consort of Yahweh, the national God of Israel. [10] There are references to the worship of numerous Gods throughout Kings, Solomon builds temples to many Gods during his reign and Josiah is

as cutting down the statues of Asherah in the temple Solomon built for Yahweh. (Josiah's grandfather, Manasseh, had erected this statue. 2 Kings 21:7) Further evidence includes, for example, an 8th-century combination of iconography and inscriptions discovered at Kuntillet Ajrud in the northern Sinai desert [12] where a storage jar shows three anthropomorphic figures and an inscription that refers to "Yahweh … and his Asherah". [13][14] The inscriptions found invoke not only Yahweh but El and Baal, and two include the phrases "Yahweh of Samaria and his Asherah" and "Yahweh of Teman and his Asherah." [15] There is general agreement that Yahweh is being invoked in connection with Samaria (capital of the kingdom of Israel) and Teman (in Edom); this suggests that Yahweh had a temple in Samaria, and raises a question over the relationship between Yahweh and Kaus, the national god of Edom. [16] The "Asherah" is most likely a cultic object, although the relationship of this object (a stylised tree perhaps) to Yahweh and to the goddess Asherah, consort of El, is unclear. [17] Further evidence includes the many female figurines unearthed in ancient Israel, supporting the view that Asherah functioned as a goddess and consort of Yahweh and was worshiped as the Queen of Heaven. [13]

Google search El Wrote:http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_(deity)

In the Canaanite religion, or Levantine religion as a whole, El or Il was a god also known as the Father of humankind and all creatures, and the husband of the Goddess Asherah as recorded in the clay tablets of Ugarit (modern Ra′s Shamrā—Arabic: ارمش سأر, Syria). [3]

The bull was symbolic to El and his son Baʻal Hadad, and they both wore bull horns on their headdress. [4][5][6][7] He may have been a desert god at some point, as the myths say that he had two wives and built a sanctuary with them and his new children in the desert. El had fathered many gods, but most important were Hadad, Yam, and Mot.

(December 7, 2013 at 6:44 am)Godschild Wrote: This is the very reason God wanted the Israelites to wipe out all the people of the land they were to occupy, He did not want them to get mixed up in theses false gods and the worship of them. If they had obeyed Him none of this would have ever happened through the Israelites. Things get out of whack when God is not listened to.

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Yeah! Those crazy Israelites! Had they only done a better job of genocide we would not have to be having a discussion on the internet over what God's name is!

Perhaps if they'd had access to the same tech the Germans had in WW2 they would have been able to do a better job. Smashing babies heads against rocks is a lamentably inefficient way to wipe out an entire civilisation.