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RE: Thank you, Sam Harris
December 9, 2013 at 6:59 pm
(December 9, 2013 at 6:01 pm)pocaracas Wrote: (December 9, 2013 at 4:49 pm)ThePrimeSingularity Wrote: Did ANYONE, by any chance, actually listen to the Sam Harris link beyond the first 30 seconds? I challenge anyone to either dispute any of the facts he states about scripture or show why any of his conclusions or assertions are incorrect.
I did... and then youtube thought I might want to watch the full debate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg7p1BjP2dA
Harris lost that debate completely. The foundation for moral behavior is rooted in the very invariant laws governing nature. Those laws have a governor and anchor holding the weaker force back. The strong nuclear force in physics demonstrates a parallel to the same demands of an invariant God. Laws are symmetric and invariable, just as the physical construct holding them in place. You cannot have unity held in place within a chaotic system apart from the force bringing unity and equilibrium to the system. We have learned nothing from quantum mechanics about the ability of the observer unless we also apply those laws above and below. Nothing can rise above its source.
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RE: Thank you, Sam Harris
December 9, 2013 at 7:20 pm
(December 9, 2013 at 6:59 pm)StrongWaters Wrote: (December 9, 2013 at 6:01 pm)pocaracas Wrote: I did... and then youtube thought I might want to watch the full debate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg7p1BjP2dA
Harris lost that debate completely.
LOL!
Harris was on unfriendly ground.
He did what he should do. He wasn't there to debate. He was there to get his word out.
In the mean time, WLC was "debating", if you call this sort of show a debate...
I can't find someone who wins or loses in this kind of debate...
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RE: Thank you, Sam Harris
December 9, 2013 at 8:28 pm
(This post was last modified: December 9, 2013 at 9:47 pm by ThePrimeSingularity.)
To StrongWaters: You've been polluting your brain with Deepak Chokra pseudo-science, haven't you? 
To pocaracus: Check this "debate" out... It actually does audience interviews before and after!!! The results are at the 1:57:15 mark and are TRULY wonderful! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn0tPRjVBvw
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RE: Thank you, Sam Harris
December 9, 2013 at 9:45 pm
(This post was last modified: December 9, 2013 at 9:56 pm by ThePrimeSingularity.)
I've been having weird problems with duplicate posts... Managed to fix the one above... but I can't seem to delete this one.
"There's always a bigger fish."
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RE: Thank you, Sam Harris
December 10, 2013 at 12:07 am
I find myself liking Harris less and less as time goes on. I still like him. He's very eloquent and a powerful rhetorician. However, he has a tendency to be something of an intellectual douche a lot of the time. He spends entirely too much time concentrating on the low hanging fruit, and his opinions tend to be shiny and superficially appealing, yet when examined in a deep way, reveal themselves to be either fundamentally vacuous, trite, or essentially pragmatically impotent. And he remains a man who hasn't reconciled all his beliefs about human nature and religion, resulting in deep fissures in his overall intellectual and moral standpoint. Still, I love to read and listen to him.
"Harris ... joins the prodigious ranks of those whose claim to have transcended philosophy is just an instance of their doing it very badly."
— Simon Blackburn: Morality Without God (Review of )
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RE: Thank you, Sam Harris
December 10, 2013 at 1:03 am
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(December 9, 2013 at 2:00 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Chess is a secular thing. Unless they allowed other religions, and not christianity.
Chess has bishops. Therefore, God exists. Or, Christianity imposed its symbolism on an game invented by non-Christians, the way they are currently imposing their stupid beliefs on physics and quantum theory as demonstrated above.
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RE: Thank you, Sam Harris
December 10, 2013 at 6:38 am
(December 9, 2013 at 8:28 pm)ThePrimeSingularity Wrote: pocaracus: You can just use "poca" or "poc", someone has used "pockie" once... but... that thing you wrote... :no: 
Now listening to that video... may comment later on...
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RE: Thank you, Sam Harris
December 10, 2013 at 10:23 am
Listened to it... again... biased audience from the start... but this time for the other side...
Herd mentality leads to the final score... aided by the finer speaking skillz of the Hitch and Stephen Fry.
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RE: Thank you, Sam Harris
December 10, 2013 at 12:20 pm
Do you think it's a coincidence that the bishop is the piece that moves in a crooked line? Aside from the queen.
Also I heard of a version where the piece was called the fool instead.
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RE: Thank you, Sam Harris
December 10, 2013 at 12:26 pm
(December 10, 2013 at 12:20 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Do you think it's a coincidence that the bishop is the piece that moves in a crooked line? Aside from the queen.
Also I heard of a version where the piece was called the fool instead.
Not to mention the decidedly tit shaped heads on those things. 
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