Quote: And theists are ignorant liars, who cover their ears and yell "LA LA LA" whenever reasoned arguments are heard.

Well excuse the Fuck out of me . I'll hold my hands up to ignorant and the lalala thing but to be a liar I'd have to tell people untrue things KNOWING that they were untrue... In which case I'd not be ignorant.

I think you need to settle on one or the other. Ignorant twat's or lying bastards.

(December 9, 2013 at 12:02 pm)DOS Wrote: 1) The Atheists have no idea of whether the God, afterlife, soul exist.
2) The Atheists have a principal or a position unless an evidence is put to their face they will not accept that the afterlife exists and it puts the atheists on the cockroach level, the cockroaches have no clue about God either...
3) The Atheists are loving to be refering to the scientific studies, kind of that white light is not white, but is made up of seven colours to prove the point and it gets them nowhere.
4) The Atheists tend to believe they can make deals, contracts, stipulations with God, i.e. they will believe asap they pull the God's beard or grab his testicle.
5) The atheists know that the atheists descended from the Ape, the other part of the humanity puts that perspective under suspicion as it is still not proved whether the apes descended from man or otherwise. Nothing is proved, all is permitted.
The atheists are very smart people, their arguments are strong!

1. Neither do theists, they have a CLAIM. An unsupported claim, at that.
2. Most atheists I know don't make a difinitive claim that there's no afterlife. Most will openly admit they don't know. That doesn't mean we should believe in it blindly. If atheists are cockroaches that must make theists moths: they see something bright and head toward it, too dumb to realise they'll get burned.
3. Better to accept science than blind faith.
4. No, atheists don't believe in your god or any others. Therefore we don't make deals with imaginary beings. Your deity has testicles? I guess that must make up for the lack of balls in many of its followers.
5. No. Atheists accept, generally, that humans and apes share a common ancestor. Are there any other creationist strawmen you'd like to put up?

Actually moths don't see something bright and head towards it. They are trying to fly in a straight line is all. Sadly, they evolved navigating with a light source at optical infinity (the moon). With that they have only to keep its light at a certain visual position (say 2 O clock) and they will fly in a straight line. But with a close light source like a candle, keeping it at 2 O clock causes then to fly in a spiral as the keep vectoring in to correct their course.

That's not relevant, I just thought it was interesting.

(December 9, 2013 at 7:06 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: Actually moths don't see something bright and head towards it. They are trying to fly in a straight line is all. Sadly, they evolved navigating with a light source at optical infinity (the moon). With that they have only to keep its light at a certain visual position (say 2 O clock) and they will fly in a straight line. But with a close light source like a candle, keeping it at 2 O clock causes then to fly in a spiral as the keep vectoring in to correct their course.

That's not relevant, I just thought it was interesting.

It is, actually. Something else I didn't know.

Though it did shoot down my comparison rather well.

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Sorry, Not what I was going for. But useless factlet's are fun. You'll bore someone rigid tomorrow with that.

Anyway. Sorry. Derailing post is derailing.

(December 9, 2013 at 7:14 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: Sorry, Not what I was going for. But useless factlet's are fun. You'll bore someone rigid tomorrow with that.

Anyway. Sorry. Derailing post is derailing.

No probs.

I'm not petty enough to be upset when corrected.

Technically you were not corrected. Moths do see something bright and head towards it, it's just the why which is important. They are trying to navigate by something distant and unchanging, but are confused by man made simacrulums which cause them to become confused and spiral madly, desperately trying to work out why their guiding light seems not to be keeping them going straight the way it should. Often this leads to their destruction.

Sound familiar

(December 9, 2013 at 7:22 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: Technically you were not corrected. Moths do see something bright and head towards it, it's just the why which is important. They are trying to navigate by something distant and unchanging, but are confused by man made simacrulums which cause them to become confused and spiral madly, desperately trying to work out why their guiding light seems not to be keeping them going straight the way it should. Often this leads to their destruction.

Sound familiar

Zing!

We have a winner!

(December 9, 2013 at 6:48 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote:

Quote: And theists are ignorant liars, who cover their ears and yell "LA LA LA" whenever reasoned arguments are heard.

Well excuse the Fuck out of me . I'll hold my hands up to ignorant and the lalala thing but to be a liar I'd have to tell people untrue things KNOWING that they were untrue... In which case I'd not be ignorant.

I think you need to settle on one or the other. Ignorant twat's or lying bastards.

Nope ,Ignorant Lying bastards. With very few exceptions, theists paint a outward picture of god both with fellow church members and with strangers. They claim they are connected with god and that they speak to god. They say god tells them this or leads them that, when they well know that they got no answer at all. They start out early, during their "conversion" begging for forgiveness and redemption, and at the prodding of the attending congregation claim to have gotten word from jebus that he has accepted their soul. Yet even to themselves they lie. They lie that jebus said anything to them at all. Then they defend their delusion with half truths and deception. They dodge the logical points of reason put to them by the atheists and pretend they can't grasp a straightforward question. They carefully craft a deceiving picture of christianity, not an open honest one.

(December 9, 2013 at 8:45 pm)Brakeman Wrote:

(December 9, 2013 at 6:48 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: Well excuse the Fuck out of me . I'll hold my hands up to ignorant and the lalala thing but to be a liar I'd have to tell people untrue things KNOWING that they were untrue... In which case I'd not be ignorant.

I think you need to settle on one or the other. Ignorant twat's or lying bastards.

Nope ,Ignorant Lying bastards. With very few exceptions, theists paint a outward picture of god both with fellow church members and with strangers. They claim they are connected with god and that they speak to god. They say god tells them this or leads them that, when they well know that they got no answer at all. They start out early, during their "conversion" begging for forgiveness and redemption, and at the prodding of the attending congregation claim to have gotten word from jebus that he has accepted their soul. Yet even to themselves they lie. They lie that jebus said anything to them at all. Then they defend their delusion with half truths and deception. They dodge the logical points of reason put to them by the atheists and pretend they can't grasp a straightforward question. They carefully craft a deceiving picture of christianity, not an open honest one.

Lalala lalala.