Much of what Drich is spewing smells like David Barton's shit. Anyone need a reminder of what happened to his last effort? Besides, Chris Rodda has already thoroughly dismantled the most common 'Christian nation' arguments.

http://www.liarsforjesus.com/

I don't know for sure how it is in the rest of 'Murica, but I live in TEXAS, WHERE EVERYTHING'S BIGGER, INCLUDING OUR FUNDIES- THEY WEIGH 350 POUNDS AND HANDLE POISONOUS SNAKES. ARE YOU CLEAR?

Any kind of outspoken Christian pretty much equals Republican here, in my experience. In their defense, they're a pretty friendly bunch.

Anecdote: my car broke down on Sunday morning at 10 AM right in front of a big ass church in small town, Texas. It was blocking several cars from leaving church services, and to boot, my car is covered with "fuck off, creationists" bumper stickers. These folks moved my car aside, offered me everything from cell phone use to fried chicken at their homes (Honey, you come home with me right NOW! We'll work that old car problem out over iced tea! ).

Gracious people when a woman on her own is in trouble. There is much bad to be said about religion in Texas, but when your car breaks down in front of their church, they help.

(December 9, 2013 at 6:29 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote:

(December 9, 2013 at 1:23 pm)Drich Wrote: why did they use govermental funds to print bibles?

They didn't: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-rodd...98698.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2722475/posts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Aitken_(publisher)
http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel04.html
http://www.hbu.edu/About-HBU/The-Campus/...ums/Dunham
http://aitkensbibleproject.org
http://www.thekjvbible.com/onlinegallery...tken+Bible

And if you google the aitken bible library of congress you will see pics of said bible turn open to the title page (on display in the congressional library) where it has been endorsed by congress as the official bible of the United States durning that time.

Man, I know you guys hate it when I'm right about religious stuff, so I can just imagine how frustrated one can be when I'm right about history as well. (Being fact based and all)

Lest the huffy post some how trumps the library of congress.

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/vc006473.jpg
The above is a scan of the congressional approval of this bible as the official version of the bible for the United States. As such would be used in all governmental institutions such as schools.

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(December 9, 2013 at 8:32 pm)cato123 Wrote: Much of what Drich is spewing smells like David Barton's shit. Anyone need a reminder of what happened to his last effort? Besides, Chris Rodda has already thoroughly dismantled the most common 'Christian nation' arguments.

http://www.liarsforjesus.com/

Did you notice how the liar website did not post any verifiable links to source material? Did you also note how the head of the liar website simply referred to her own research, and posted her credentials on the home page as if it were some badge of honor that placed her beyond reproach on her ideas? Do the liars people really expect you smart, always demanding proof atheists to take what they say on faith? Oh, no Cato you didn't did you?

Did you notice how I posted links to .gov and .edu along with commentary linking you to actual pics and official letters so you can make up your own minds if you cared enough to read the truth for yourselves?

Why do you think the liar web site people did not link you to these same documents? Why did they have a need to conceal these documents only offering their own conjecture and speculation instead offering you the information so you can draw your own conclusions?

There is another group of leaders who predigest information and hide source material from those they teach, but your way too smart to be in a cult right?... Maybe don't drink any grape flav-o-aide even if everyone else is.. Just in case.

(December 9, 2013 at 11:44 pm)Drich Wrote: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2722475/posts

Your source Wrote:The Aitken Bible was championed by the people
and symbolized a dramatic release from British, and indeed government control,
over their right and ability to worship.

Read your sources as for the reason behind it.

Quote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Aitken_(publisher)

Relevance? Chucking out the URL to Wikipedia does not a source make.

Quote:http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel04.html

Your source Wrote:" The amount of energy that Congress invested in encouraging the practice of religion in the new nation exceeded that expended by any subsequent American national government. Although the Articles of Confederation did not officially authorize Congress to concern itself with religion, the citizenry did not object to such activities. This lack of objection suggests that both the legislators and the public considered it appropriate for the national government to promote a nondenominational, nonpolemical Christianity."

The underlined indicates it was a sort of thing of the times that the citizenry didn't object to, not something at all endorsed in actual law, certainly not (which your source explicitly says) in the Article of Confederation, which contained no such power granted.

Quote:http://www.hbu.edu/About-HBU/The-Campus/...ums/Dunham

Broken link.

Quote:http://aitkensbibleproject.org
http://www.thekjvbible.com/onlinegallery...tken+Bible

Again, relevance?

Quote:And if you google the aitken bible library of congress you will see pics of said bible turn open to the title page (on display in the congressional library) where it has been endorsed by congress as the official bible of the United States durning that time.

*Endorsed by the very religious in Congress, which have never had much qualms breaking their own laws for the sake of religion.

Quote:Man, I know you guys hate it when I'm right about religious stuff, so I can just imagine how frustrated one can be when I'm right about history as well. (Being fact based and all)

Lest the huffy post some how trumps the library of congress.

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/vc006473.jpg
The above is a scan of the congressional approval of this bible as the official version of the bible for the United States. As such would be used in all governmental institutions such as schools.

I'm actually having a hard time thinking of a time you've been right, rather than drop a wall of text with a smiley at the end.

As for the image, I can't see where it endorses religion legally, rather than such being in the interests of those involved, who were clearly religious.

http://www.hbu.edu/About-HBU/The-Campus/...ibles.aspx

Broken link repaired.

(December 10, 2013 at 9:26 am)Drich Wrote: http://www.hbu.edu/About-HBU/The-Campus/...ibles.aspx

Broken link repaired.

OK but what's your point? That link is just showing early bibles printed in America. I'm not doubting that happened, what I have a problem with is the idea that the Founding Fathers specifically set aside money to have bibles printed to be distributed in our schools. It's simple history revisionism.

Even if it weren't, the Supreme Court has upheld time and time again the wall of separation of church and state. We know that our country works better keeping religion and government separate. Let's face it, forcing kids to pray in school is one battle that fundamentalists have lost, and it's never going to happen again.

I do find it odd that Christians seem to cling to the Republican party. I don't think Jesus would have been in favor of Assault Weapons and cutting spending on programs that feed and shelter the poor. But modern Christian/Republicans seem to be nuts for such ideas.

I wonder if Jesus would have been a democrat?

(December 9, 2013 at 11:25 pm)Zazzy Wrote: I don't know for sure how it is in the rest of 'Murica, but I live in TEXAS, WHERE EVERYTHING'S BIGGER, INCLUDING OUR FUNDIES- THEY WEIGH 350 POUNDS AND HANDLE POISONOUS SNAKES. ARE YOU CLEAR?

Any kind of outspoken Christian pretty much equals Republican here, in my experience. In their defense, they're a pretty friendly bunch.

Anecdote: my car broke down on Sunday morning at 10 AM right in front of a big ass church in small town, Texas. It was blocking several cars from leaving church services, and to boot, my car is covered with "fuck off, creationists" bumper stickers. These folks moved my car aside, offered me everything from cell phone use to fried chicken at their homes (Honey, you come home with me right NOW! We'll work that old car problem out over iced tea! ).

Gracious people when a woman on her own is in trouble. There is much bad to be said about religion in Texas, but when your car breaks down in front of their church, they help.

Its nice when people exceed your expectations isn't it.

(December 10, 2013 at 3:12 pm)I am God Wrote: I do find it odd that Christians seem to cling to the Republican party. I don't think Jesus would have been in favor of Assault Weapons and cutting spending on programs that feed and shelter the poor. But modern Christian/Republicans seem to be nuts for such ideas.

I wonder if Jesus would have been a democrat?

You'll have to read Plato's republic and get a feel for how Socrates felt about government to get a better idea. 500 years after Plato wrote about Socrates, the Jesus character was created to emulate him. Of course, Socrates would probably not find it agreeable that he was the basis of a character used to describe a man, who above all else, stood for the thing he despised most. Nobody pretended to more outrageous claims of unsustainable knowledge more than Jesus, and nobody makes more unsupportable declarations of wisdom than those made in the name of Christianity. If I could pay to see two literary characters have a discussion, it would be to see Socrates examine Jesus. I wonder what Socrates would have to say on faith.

(December 10, 2013 at 3:12 pm)I am God Wrote: I do find it odd that Christians seem to cling to the Republican party. I don't think Jesus would have been in favor of Assault Weapons

Swords were the assault weapons of the day. Jesus was not always against their use. luke 22: 36 Jesus said to them, “But now if you have money or a bag, carry that with you. If you don’t have a sword, sell your coat and buy one.

Quote:and cutting spending on programs that feed and shelter the poor.

Jesus never once tasked the goverment to feed or cloth anyone. It is our task to carry that burden on us as indivisuals.

Quote:But modern Christian/Republicans seem to be nuts for such ideas.

Inorder to cut taxes and put money back into the pockets of the people the goverment serves inorder so they may give as we have been tasked.

Quote:I wonder if Jesus would have been a democrat?

Pro Gay marriage, abortion, and a general over douchieness.. No i think not.

Honestly i don't think He would have been either. For in his day He was neither for Rome nor for the theocratic rule of the Jewish state.