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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 13, 2013 at 10:45 pm
(December 13, 2013 at 8:43 pm)snowtracks Wrote: actually, what was intended was that c. theism has an explanation that's doesn't require more discovery. to the 'we', there are no demands.
And you can't tell the difference between "having an answer," and "having the correct answer?" Just saying that you've got an answer means nothing, especially when you've been making stuff up as furiously as you have, here.
Quote:c. theism provides the best explanation collectively of the U., human beings, and Christ related (part of which is miraculous events).
the most miraculous event was the resurrection. in fact all of christianity would be exposed as a fraud if that event didn't take place. the apostle paul in fact said if that is not true our faith is in vain.
So where's your proof the resurrection happened?
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December 13, 2013 at 10:50 pm
Quote:actually, what was intended was that c. theism has an explanation that's doesn't require more discovery.
Explanations that you pull freshly baked out of your ass usually don't.
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December 14, 2013 at 12:17 pm
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Oh Esquilax, If the resurrection didn't happen, then why would Paul say something like that?Hmm?
Additionally, I find it very interesting that there are LOADS of Christians that continue to call themselves Christians, but have zero belief in a Zombie Jesus. They would be appalled to hear another Christian calling their faith a hoax.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 14, 2013 at 12:22 pm
(December 14, 2013 at 12:17 pm)The Reality Salesman Wrote: Oh Esquilax, If the resurrection didn't happen, then why would Paul say something like that?Hmm?
It was probably an intrusion into our world from a parallel Paul from one of those other time dimensions Snowy keeps asserting exists. 
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 14, 2013 at 4:15 pm
(December 12, 2013 at 4:46 pm)Faith No More Wrote: (December 12, 2013 at 3:50 pm)snowtracks Wrote: Christian theism best accounts for the U. source and singular beginning, order, and fine-tuning qualities, and is the best hypothesis for human beings: existence, consciousness, rationality, and free agency. it's the best explanation going based on the evidence and without an appeal to the future. this would explain why atheists need to keep reminding themselves that God doesn't exist along with the reason that human beings were made the image of God.
Not the universe I live in.
And I don't have to keep reminding myself god doesn't exist. Terrible arguments such as yours do that for me.
was reading some former atheist accounts, and that seem to be a recurring theme.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 14, 2013 at 5:16 pm
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If a magical man in the sky was the best explanation for anything, it would be because we could establish that magical man's existence, understood that magical man's properties, and could establish solid causal links between that magical man and anything else. In neither a scientific nor a philosophical sense is it even a barely workable explanation for anything simply because it doesn't actually explain anything. Claiming that it's all the result of some magical man in the sky whose properties are forever beyond our cognition, whose motives are incomprehensible, is simply a way to get people to stop asking the question.
The only thing a magical man in the sky hypothesis explains is the willingness of ignorant and stupid people to make shit up when they really want an answer and better minds than theirs can't supply one at that precise instant.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 14, 2013 at 7:11 pm
(December 13, 2013 at 8:43 pm)snowtracks Wrote: the most miraculous event was the resurrection. in fact all of christianity would be exposed as a fraud if that event didn't take place. the apostle paul in fact said if that is not true our faith is in vain.
Well, that's handy.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 14, 2013 at 8:55 pm
We can't prove it didn't happen, so that's proof enough that it did.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 14, 2013 at 11:15 pm
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(December 13, 2013 at 10:45 pm)Esquilax Wrote: (December 13, 2013 at 8:43 pm)snowtracks Wrote: actually, what was intended was that c. theism has an explanation that's doesn't require more discovery. to the 'we', there are no demands.
And you can't tell the difference between "having an answer," and "having the correct answer?" Just saying that you've got an answer means nothing, especially when you've been making stuff up as furiously as you have, here.
for some reason, i don't remember posting that --- "having an answer," and "having the correct answer?" --- but there are quotes; but don't get wrong, i could have very well done that.
(December 14, 2013 at 12:22 pm)Esquilax Wrote: (December 14, 2013 at 12:17 pm)The Reality Salesman Wrote: Oh Esquilax, If the resurrection didn't happen, then why would Paul say something like that?Hmm?
It was probably an intrusion into our world from a parallel Paul from one of those other time dimensions Snowy keeps asserting exists.
the space-time theorems (authors ellis, hawking, penrose) which are an extension of general relativity conclude that space and time had a beginning 14 billions years ago. if a causal agent is the initiator, a logical inference is that another time dimensions (or equivalent) exist since time can be defined a series of cause and effect transactions which the 'cause' would function in. having access and operational capabilities in 2 dimensions (space or time) increases the functional power from 'x' to 'x∞'. for instance, one dim of space is a point, two is a plane --- x & y coordinates. this would allow basically an infinite increase in functionality.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 14, 2013 at 11:18 pm
(October 10, 2013 at 10:11 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
The current “theory” is that the universe came into being from some explosion called the Big Bang. The standard Big Bang theory does not match smoothness of the cosmic background radiation. So the theory of Inflation was added to the standard Big Bang. That is the latest conjecture of modern science.
Now there are many problems with this “answer” to the origin of the universe. If nothing existed before the Big Bang, then the Big Bang violates a number of principle and laws of science. It violates conservation of mass-energy. The energy went from nothing to all the energy of the universe. It violates cause and effect. Nothing never just explodes and becomes something. It violates all observations, since nothing never just explodes into something. It also does not explain the origin of the laws of nature or why there is even order in the universe.
If something existed before the Big Bang, then the origin question is not answered at all. If the universe always existed, then the 2nd law of thermodynamics says that all order disappeared an infinite time ago. But that is not the case. Also there is still no explanation of the origin of the laws of nature or why there is even order in the universe.
Well first of all if science can't explain it doesn't mean that jesus was behind it. That's an argument from ignorance + baseless assumption.
Second I doubt the poster is competent in areas of physics to even debate about the big bang.
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