(February 8, 2010 at 8:08 am)theVOID Wrote:

(February 8, 2010 at 7:54 am)starbucks Wrote: But how did this probability become constant? Know what I mean?

Or like I said earlier, what if all this order is just our way of making things easier for us to get along but nothing really was in order?

The randomness is not constant....

We don't know why the quantum world is so chaotic and probabilistic, it just is. We don't know everything, that's no reason to assume a magic man did it.

Nobody's saying a magic man is overseeing it. I believe what they mean when they say "only God knows" is that it's unrealistic human beings will ever know everything and that the answer is beyond our grasp. It would take a divine (meaning superhuman capabilities) to know.

(February 8, 2010 at 7:01 am)TruthWorthy Wrote: ^ Under don't know change to theist, etc.

Quite the opposite I think. The god of the gaps is no god.

(February 8, 2010 at 8:28 am)starbucks Wrote:

(February 8, 2010 at 8:08 am)theVOID Wrote:

(February 8, 2010 at 7:54 am)starbucks Wrote: But how did this probability become constant? Know what I mean?

Or like I said earlier, what if all this order is just our way of making things easier for us to get along but nothing really was in order?

The randomness is not constant....

We don't know why the quantum world is so chaotic and probabilistic, it just is. We don't know everything, that's no reason to assume a magic man did it.

Nobody's saying a magic man is overseeing it. I believe what they mean when they say "only God knows" is that it's unrealistic human beings will ever know everything and that the answer is beyond our grasp. It would take a divine (meaning superhuman capabilities) to know.

It might not be beyond our grasp forever, only time will tell.

Also, just because it can be known does not mean there has to be someone there to know it, saying that because we don't understand a divine mind must is a nonsense argument.

Quote:So yeah, you are very confused if you think atheism is anything but a simple stance on belief in gods.

Then why do Atheists always default to science to try to prove their position is rational??

(February 18, 2010 at 2:25 pm)objectivitees Wrote:

Quote:So yeah, you are very confused if you think atheism is anything but a simple stance on belief in gods.

Then why do Atheists always default to science to try to prove their position is rational??

Non-sequitur? It doesn't matter how an atheist tries to prove their position, that changes nothing about the definition of the word.

A solid understanding of science and logic tends to lead to an atheistic worldview, not the other way around.

(February 18, 2010 at 2:25 pm)objectivitees Wrote:

Quote:So yeah, you are very confused if you think atheism is anything but a simple stance on belief in gods.

Then why do Atheists always default to science to try to prove their position is rational??

We don't. Why would I resort to science to "prove" a philosophical issue? Why would I use science to prove something when it cannot prove anything? Why would I attempt to prove the non-existence of God when God is said to be a non-temporal entity? Your assertion makes no sense. Perhaps some atheists you've come across try to use science to disprove God, but you won't find many of them here.

Dude, stop raising the dead.

Quote:A solid understanding of science and logic tends to lead to an atheistic worldview, not the other way around.

See?? You just defaulted to science to "prove" your point.

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Quote:We don't. Why would I resort to science to "prove" a philosophical issue?

I think that is the first time I have seen an Atheist admit it was a 'philosophical' issue!

Quote:Your assertion makes no sense. Perhaps some atheists you've come across try to use science to disprove God, but you won't find many of them here.

It makes sense anecdotally... I've not encountered one until just now. I applaud your honesty.

Oh no Adrian,

I find myself longing for a thumbs down button again.

Rhizo

(February 18, 2010 at 2:25 pm)objectivitees Wrote:

Quote:So yeah, you are very confused if you think atheism is anything but a simple stance on belief in gods.

Then why do Atheists always default to science to try to prove their position is rational??

Science is the very best methodology ever conceived of by human minds for evaluating claims, it has given us more progress and understanding than any other methodology ever known to a point where nothing else is even comparable. Science is not the only methodology Atheists use to reject the claims of God, logic is also a primary tool used to evaluate arguments for the existence of God and thus far there are no logically valid arguments that necessitate the existence of God.

Atheism is simply the rejection of the claim that God exists, this claim is evaluated using various methodologies and the conclusion is there is no reasonable argument or evidence to conclude that God exists.