(December 31, 2013 at 6:08 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: So now you take after your mother in discriminating against a whole group of people, the huge majority of which you have never even set eyes on.

Great job. Telling us that really makes us want to learn from you.

Don't be so serious, Piney It doesn't deserve it, no I'm serious: It really doesn't deserve a serious response.

(December 31, 2013 at 6:01 pm)Violet Lilly Blossom Wrote: What does the OP say? I didn't want to waste time, so I didn't read it.

Themes raised by GetMeRex ...

1. Atheists have no feelings.
2. Life has no meaning without religion.
3. Atheism is disorganised, unplanned.
4. Positive atheists are communists and ideologues who believe in tooth fairies.
5. The vast majority of atheists are the "so what" variety.
6. Religion provides structure and meaning. What does atheism offer in its place?
7. There is safety in thinking about Jesus, there is no safety in atheist thinking.
8. Although, it might be safe with a miniature Christopher Hitchens on your shoulder, but that is unpleasant.
9. Atheism is jumping into deep, dark waters.
10. Atheists throw hollow facts at sensitive humans and complex social discourse. Ergo, atheists only care for themselves.
11. Atheists delight in the exasperation their shallow messages entail.
12. Super-rational (or super-neutral?) leads to philosophical backwardness.
13. An appetite for wonder does not compare to the grand depth of feeling in religious thought (even to stupid religious people).
e.g. eulogies that praise a scientists acquisition of knowledge can't be given to infants, stupid or misfortunate people.
14. How does the wondering and majestic enquiring mind make sense of the death of millions?
15. Ergo, atheists have nothing to contribute to the lives of anyone but those who share their brutish views.
16. Are there any conceptions of an atheistic universe that aren't reactionary or flippant, but make real sense to emotional human minds?

I'll let that sink in before trying to reply. But I think I've already failed the flippancy test.

Awaiting your reply

(December 31, 2013 at 6:10 pm)Violet Lilly Blossom Wrote:

(December 31, 2013 at 6:08 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: So now you take after your mother in discriminating against a whole group of people, the huge majority of which you have never even set eyes on.

Great job. Telling us that really makes us want to learn from you.

Don't be so serious, Piney It doesn't deserve it, no I'm serious: It really doesn't deserve a serious response.

Allahalahahahahahahah!

Violet, what's your favourite colour?

Rex:

I have no idea what ,exactly, it is you wish to achieve by coming here and calling us idiots because we don't play by your rules.

Firstly us negative (dawkins 6) Atheists do not say "there is no proof so there is no god" we say "in the absence of proof we will act as if there is no god unless someone tells us differently

I am no ex communist I am what you would call a 'blue grit' in your native Canada.

So lets deal with a few issues that you have,

We have plenty of alternatives to religion. If you talk about ethics then every Atheist I have ever come across normally has quite well developed ethics. Indeed because ethics are ,for us, about what is good I find them superior to Theists who say 'because God says so'. Your god is a nasty genocidal thug and your heaven seems to be living as a court apparatchik to Saddam Hussein.

It is not our business to provide 'comfort' for people. If someone was dying and was happy at the thought of meeting god then I would leave them alone. If they were terrified at Judgement I would gladly inform them they had nothing to worry about since there is no retribution from a genocidal desert wraith.

The most insulting, though, is your insistence that we are somehow philosophically lacking. I did my second Bachelors degree in Philosophy so I really doubt if your Philosophy is going to be better developed than mine but in any case the dearth of Christians in the subject (there is Alvin Plantinga and a couple of other non entities) are massively dwarfed by Atheist and Aptheists.

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If you want to ask for specific replies then please number them and I (at least) will endeavor to reply to them but dump the superior attitude. We don;t look to theists as authorities.

(December 31, 2013 at 3:05 pm)Get me Rex Kramer! Wrote: I'm incoherent and cannot communicate my views. So far.
I'll wait for more posters who don't want to waste time.

Do you think you're the first self satisfied arrogant Christian to come here to spout this line of bullshit?

You most certainly are not, and you won't be the last.

Be assured though that arrogance will beget mockery. So please don't be surprised at the responses you receive.

(December 31, 2013 at 11:37 pm)là bạn điên Wrote: Rex:

I have no idea what ,exactly, it is you wish to achieve by coming here and calling us idiots because we don't play by your rules.

Firstly us negative (dawkins 6) Atheists do not say "there is no proof so there is no god" we say "in the absence of proof we will act as if there is no god unless someone tells us differently

I am no ex communist I am what you would call a 'blue grit' in your native Canada.

So lets deal with a few issues that you have,

We have plenty of alternatives to religion. If you talk about ethics then every Atheist I have ever come across normally has quite well developed ethics. Indeed because ethics are ,for us, about what is good I find them superior to Theists who say 'because God says so'. Your god is a nasty genocidal thug and your heaven seems to be living as a court apparatchik to Saddam Hussein.

It is not our business to provide 'comfort' for people. If someone was dying and was happy at the thought of meeting god then I would leave them alone. If they were terrified at Judgement I would gladly inform them they had nothing to worry about since there is no retribution from a genocidal desert wraith.

The most insulting, though, is your insistence that we are somehow philosophically lacking. I did my second Bachelors degree in Philosophy so I really doubt if your Philosophy is going to be better developed than mine but in any case the dearth of Christians in the subject (there is Alvin Plantinga and a couple of other non entities) are massively dwarfed by Atheist and Aptheists.

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If you want to ask for specific replies then please number them and I (at least) will endeavor to reply to them but dump the superior attitude. We don;t look to theists as authorities.

I have a BA and MA in Philosophy. I also did a years' research with published work in a journal. I am acknowledged in a recent book on Kant. I am a teacher and lecturer. Let's not compare dicks mate.

I don't find atheists' ethics 'quite well developed', I find them cherry picked from various sources that don't necessarily fit together well. In fact, I don't find there to be a credible atheist 'way of thinking' and that's the reason for the discussion: because I feel there should be if what atheists say always already has socialised consequences (and nobody has contradicted me on this so far). This is the main reason I find atheists to be philosophically lacking. As I have mentioned, the symptom of this is the belief that we can build our lives around simple descriptive truths about the physical universe and forget the complexity of human need. I'm glad you would stop at telling someone about to die that there is nothing waiting for them, but I wonder where you do draw the line.

My worry is that in order to know where to 'draw the line' at insisting on cosmological accuracy (i.e. this is a universe without a God or any purposiveness, no anthropomorphism), one has to know very well the person to whom one is talking. Without knowing what effect brutish (there's that word again!) truth-facepalmery (a new term for you) has on people, it seems childish to insist on undeveloped perspectives. That is, to me. And I say this not to insist that you agree but in the hope that you can understand it.

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(December 31, 2013 at 11:58 pm)Zen Badger Wrote:

(December 31, 2013 at 3:05 pm)Get me Rex Kramer! Wrote: I'm incoherent and cannot communicate my views. So far.
I'll wait for more posters who don't want to waste time.

Do you think you're the first self satisfied arrogant Christian to come here to spout this line of bullshit?

You most certainly are not, and you won't be the last.

Be assured though that arrogance will beget mockery. So please don't be surprised at the responses you receive.

I'm an atheist. But I'm still not surprised.

A BA and an MA in philosophy hey?

So you get to ask WHY the customer wants fries with that.

Yes badger, unless I'm a teacher and lecturer and you can't read properly.

(January 1, 2014 at 8:47 am)Get me Rex Kramer! Wrote: Yes badger, unless I'm a teacher and lecturer and you can't read properly.

Oh I read fine thanks.

But remember what I said about mockery?

Btw, you might be an atheist but you're still an arrogant asshole.