Nice - so we've come full circle to solipsism.
Sweet.
Sweet.
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Abiogenesis is impossible
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 (December 31, 2013 at 8:50 pm)snowtracks Wrote: if the evolutionary theory brought forth brains that are patchwork and flawed and as a result the God/religious fallacy was introduced, that same evolutionary brain that now has evolved further to concluded 'no God/religion' can't be relied on for guidance.It would indeed be crazy to rely on intuition for all of our knowledge, which is what you are describing above. But the reason we know more today is not because we just happened to evolve to be more skeptical. We've simply been using the tools we've been given to continue to learn more about our world and our universe. So far, no god.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould  (December 31, 2013 at 8:50 pm)snowtracks Wrote: if the evolutionary theory brought forth brains that are patchwork and flawed and as a result the God/religious fallacy was introduced, that same evolutionary brain that now has evolved further to concluded 'no God/religion' can't be relied on for guidance. Massive non sequitur notwithstanding, this of course is why the basic atheist position is not "no God". Or would you equally conclude that the belief in the existence of gods can't be relied on for guidance? And did you seriously just equate "God" with religion with a straight face?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
 (January 1, 2014 at 2:03 pm)Stimbo Wrote:Or would you equally conclude that the belief in the existence of gods can't be relied on for guidance? ----- no, because there are duel sources of revelation: book of nature, book of biblical scripture which are in agreement. not possible to perceive God's identity or attributes thru the 5 senses.(December 31, 2013 at 8:50 pm)snowtracks Wrote: if the evolutionary theory brought forth brains that are patchwork and flawed and as a result the God/religious fallacy was introduced, that same evolutionary brain that now has evolved further to concluded 'no God/religion' can't be relied on for guidance.
Atheist Credo: A universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.
So without this revelation there'd be no reason even to suspect this "God" exists? Sounds fair to me.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
 (January 1, 2014 at 8:21 pm)snowtracks Wrote: Or would you equally conclude that the belief in the existence of gods can't be relied on for guidance? ----- no, because there are duel sources of revelation: book of nature, book of biblical scripture which are in agreement. not possible to perceive God's identity or attributes thru the 5 senses. So, we've gone from solipsism, to "the bible proves that god exists because god says he does in the bible!" Have you just given up any hope of ever being cogent, and just started a parade of fallacies, now? More openly, I mean. You've always been stuffed with fallacies.
"YOU take the hard look in the mirror. You are everything that is wrong with this world. The only thing important to you, is you." - ronedee
Want to see more of my writing? Check out my (safe for work!) site, Unprotected Sects!  (January 1, 2014 at 8:21 pm)snowtracks Wrote:(January 1, 2014 at 2:03 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Massive non sequitur notwithstanding, this of course is why the basic atheist position is not "no God". Or would you equally conclude that the belief in the existence of gods can't be relied on for guidance?Or would you equally conclude that the belief in the existence of gods can't be relied on for guidance? ----- no, because there are duel sources of revelation: book of nature, book of biblical scripture which are in agreement. not possible to perceive God's identity or attributes thru the 5 senses. book of biblical scripture says Joshua fought the battle of Jericho and the walls came tumbling down; book of nature says he did not. book of biblical scripture says the Israelites migrated out of Egypt; book of nature says they did not. book of biblical scripture says a global flood occurred; book of nature says it did not. book of biblical scripture says that sin is transmitted by the flesh; book of nature shows no biological mechanism for the transmission of sin. book of biblical scripture says we have an immaterial soul; book of nature says we have no such thing animating us, only biological brains. ![[Image: D7612546_714_936437357]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=www.sugarsync.com%2Fpiv%2FD7612546_714_936437357) ![[Image: extraordinarywoo-sig.jpg]](https://i.postimg.cc/zf86M5L7/extraordinarywoo-sig.jpg) (January 1, 2014 at 11:42 pm)rasetsu Wrote:(January 1, 2014 at 8:21 pm)snowtracks Wrote: Or would you equally conclude that the belief in the existence of gods can't be relied on for guidance? ----- no, because there are duel sources of revelation: book of nature, book of biblical scripture which are in agreement. not possible to perceive God's identity or attributes thru the 5 senses.
Atheist Credo: A universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.
(January 2, 2014 at 11:28 pm)snowtracks Wrote: the subject of the 'spirit' is a good example of why duel revelation is needed. without scripture, mankind wouldn't know about such things; having a spirit gives mankind a conscience, and knowledge that they are eternal. And the bible proves the bible because bible! You aren't even trying anymore. Circular reasoning, the end. Next!
"YOU take the hard look in the mirror. You are everything that is wrong with this world. The only thing important to you, is you." - ronedee
Want to see more of my writing? Check out my (safe for work!) site, Unprotected Sects! RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
January 20, 2014 at 9:00 pm
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(January 1, 2014 at 11:42 pm)rasetsu Wrote:(January 1, 2014 at 8:21 pm)snowtracks Wrote: Or would you equally conclude that the belief in the existence of gods can't be relied on for guidance? ----- no, because there are duel sources of revelation: book of nature, book of biblical scripture which are in agreement. not possible to perceive God's identity or attributes thru the 5 senses. that's why both books are needed. but even having the one book, God is clearly revealed. there are non-scientific reasons why people don't acknowledge that. no naturalistic model exist that demonstrates a origin-of-life scenario that involves assembly of dna, rna, proteins, and membrane structures (which has the capacity to control fluids that enter and exit) in such a way to yield a viable cell. in fact, it not even being pursued any longer because the complexity is too overwhelming.
Atheist Credo: A universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.
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