(January 10, 2014 at 11:18 am)Drich Wrote:

(January 10, 2014 at 3:18 am)xr34p3rx Wrote: So let me emphasize the reason of this post.
For the people who dont know my background (as probably no one does), i live in a christian home, father is a pastor and when they see me watching harry potter, they say its "bad". I ask why? Its just bad...

I fail to understand why people think its wrong or in some way have a correlation with satan...?
its like saying a hammer is bad...? why dont they say the same to Hulk or Captain America...? maybe Thor as well? its all fantasy!

This is most directed to theists but my fellow atheists are free to comment

It has to do with the use of sorcery. We are told to stay away from sorcery not because it is fantasy, but because there is a power that drives sorcery that is not of God.

In other words there are some aspects of Harry potter translate into real world applications, and yet because it is paired with fantasy all of it is trivialized and dismissed as harmless, when in fact what has happened is a general desensitization to the whole subject of sorcery has happened making the young to feel comfortable around the powers and practice of real world sorcery.

I know the knee jerk response to taunt what I have said and trivialize the warning, but wouldn't that be the point I was making? Because wizards have been made into fictional characters it allows pop culture to assume all references to sorcery must also be to fiction, and to think otherwise is foolishness. When in fact satan is real, He is the master of this domain, and does indeed have the power to influence and effect those under his rule. when done in conjunction with man this is known as sorcery.

(January 10, 2014 at 11:55 am)Chas Wrote:

(January 10, 2014 at 11:18 am)Drich Wrote: It has to do with the use of sorcery. We are told to stay away from sorcery not because it is fantasy, but because there is a power that drives sorcery that is not of God.

In other words there are some aspects of Harry potter translate into real world applications, and yet because it is paired with fantasy all of it is trivialized and dismissed as harmless, when in fact what has happened is a general desensitization to the whole subject of sorcery has happened making the young to feel comfortable around the powers and practice of real world sorcery.

I know the knee jerk response to taunt what I have said and trivialize the warning, but wouldn't that be the point I was making? Because wizards have been made into fictional characters it allows pop culture to assume all references to sorcery must also be to fiction, and to think otherwise is foolishness. When in fact satan is real, He is the master of this domain, and does indeed have the power to influence and effect those under his rule. when done in conjunction with man this is known as sorcery.

Please provide evidence of the existence of sorcery. Otherwise, you've slipped another notch down the Batshit Crazy Scale™.

(January 10, 2014 at 11:18 am)Drich Wrote: It has to do with the use of sorcery. We are told to stay away from sorcery not because it is fantasy, but because there is a power that drives sorcery that is not of God.

In other words there are some aspects of Harry potter translate into real world applications, and yet because it is paired with fantasy all of it is trivialized and dismissed as harmless, when in fact what has happened is a general desensitization to the whole subject of sorcery has happened making the young to feel comfortable around the powers and practice of real world sorcery.

I know the knee jerk response to taunt what I have said and trivialize the warning, but wouldn't that be the point I was making? Because wizards have been made into fictional characters it allows pop culture to assume all references to sorcery must also be to fiction, and to think otherwise is foolishness. When in fact satan is real, He is the master of this domain, and does indeed have the power to influence and effect those under his rule. when done in conjunction with man this is known as sorcery.

(January 10, 2014 at 12:12 pm)Drich Wrote:

(January 10, 2014 at 11:55 am)Chas Wrote: Please provide evidence of the existence of sorcery. Otherwise, you've slipped another notch down the Batshit Crazy Scale™.

What would said evidence look like? what form would it come in?

(January 10, 2014 at 12:13 pm)Dragonetti Wrote: How about jumping off a bridge then chanting something to make you fly?

(January 10, 2014 at 12:21 pm)Chas Wrote:

(January 10, 2014 at 12:12 pm)Drich Wrote: What would said evidence look like? what form would it come in?

Why are you asking me? You are the one who says it exists. Show us the evidence of it.

You are making the claim. The burden of proof be upon thee.

(January 10, 2014 at 12:39 pm)Drich Wrote:

(January 10, 2014 at 12:13 pm)Dragonetti Wrote: How about jumping off a bridge then chanting something to make you fly?

Actually that is not sorcery, that is fiction.

Biblical examples include petitioning satan/Demons/Familiar Spirits via potions and cermonial rituals for the supernatural ablity to heal, make someone sick, entertain (As Simon did in acts 8) or to maniuplate and control a persons situation.