The fact that hell exists as a threat means that even God understands that a relationship with himself isn't all its cracked up to be.

(January 15, 2014 at 2:26 pm)Esquilax Wrote: So, aside from your translation making the next sentence kind of redundant, how is "nothing will be impossible for you," metaphorical? It's a direct statement.
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http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm...onc_946020

The above link is this whole passage in the Greek. In its alliterative form the passage can also read 'you will never be with out power or strength.' But again most bibles are direct translations, and do not typically lend themselves to commentary.

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Quote:No, that's only if you're wrong and atheism is correct, you self righteous prick. What if you're wrong and literally any other religion is correct?

calm down I was just having some fun with the idea that you are going to burn forever sheesh...

If any other religion is correct and Christianity is wrong then I will most defiantly burn (or whatever happens to infedels) with the rest of you a-holes.. Matter of fact lets try and meet up and burn it all down before Allah knows what's going on. Maybe we can start a camel stampede or something and take out a few of the promised virgins so the murder bombers don't get so many of them.. however if Jesus is there I'm rat'n all y'all out to the tune of na na a boo boo, and I told you so.. Just sayn...

What do you want me to say here? If I am wrong I like the rest of you will face judgement by whatever deity there is and will do my best to spit in It's eye on my way to hell... Aside from those of you planning to make a post death bed confession or an appeal to the lack of logic whatever god overlooked, going to be any different than what you will do?

They say never say never, I am saying I will never appeal to another God even if there is proof beyond proof (which by the way I wrote a thread or about 12/21/12) if Jesus is not God the. I do not want anything to do with whatever Heaven there is. There is not other God/circumstance I want anything to do with in this life let alone eternity.

Quote:And this is the dishonest lynchpin of Drich's entire A/S/K bullshit: the moment you even consider that there might be a failure state for his test, you're no longer doing it correctly. All he's done is posited an unfalsifiable, and therefore irrational, justification for his belief.

As usual.

and if this 'dishonest lynchpin' belongs to Drich, but to God.. Then what? Will you debate Him on your judgement day?

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(January 15, 2014 at 9:58 pm)(╯°◊°）╯︵ ══╬ Wrote:

(January 15, 2014 at 1:23 pm)Drich Wrote: If you did try it 'my way' you would still be working on it. for my way follows the example in Luke 11. In Luke 11 we are told to 'knock' (or continue to ask and seek) till we get what we are looking for. You stopped far short. Therefore you could not have done it 'my way.'

Maybe we got an answer and that answer was "there is no god".

Who did you get your answer from?

(January 16, 2014 at 12:28 am)Drich Wrote: The above link is this whole passage in the Greek. In its alliterative form the passage can also read 'you will never be with out power or strength.' But again most bibles are direct translations, and do not typically lend themselves to commentary.

I'll just take your word for it, mostly because either way it's still not exactly accurate.

Quote:calm down I was just having some fun with the idea that you are going to burn forever sheesh...

Yeah, I don't find that funny.

Quote:They say never say never, I am saying I will never appeal to another God even if there is proof beyond proof (which by the way I wrote a thread or about 12/21/12) if Jesus is not God the. I do not want anything to do with whatever Heaven there is. There is not other God/circumstance I want anything to do with in this life let alone eternity.

So, you're essentially saying that no evidence will ever change your mind on this topic?

That's... ugh.

Quote:and if this 'dishonest lynchpin' belongs to Drich, but to God.. Then what? Will you debate Him on your judgement day?

If this is so, then it's just another way in which your god has rendered belief in him to be irrational.

(January 15, 2014 at 10:35 pm)MitchBenn Wrote: When you threaten non-believers with hell you demean and embarrass yourself on every level.

i didn't threaten anyone I just redirected the question I was asked, and had some fun with the answer.

Quote:You betray the hatefulness and violence which lie at the heart of your beliefs. You let slip the veil of spurious love and forgiveness and show that underneath it all, your faith is nothing but an ultimatum: OBEY OR SUFFER.

your appeals to stereotypes betray your inability for observation and independent thought. I am just short of 4000 post on this website, and maybe just shy of 10,000 on a few others combined. I would gladly challenge you to look at any or all of them to find me pushing a doctrine of obey or suffer... Ever.

Quote:Because that's all you've got in the end; once we've pointed out the fallacies and the errors and the lousy logic and circular reasoning and the factual inaccuracies that reveal your beliefs for the medieval nonsense they are, all you've got is THREATS.

And all you guys have is an attempt to dismiss by appealing to known Christian stereotypes without actually addressing content.

Quote:You're not even a bully. Your imaginary friend God is the bully; you're the sneaky little kid who sucks up to the bully and tells tales on all his pals to him.

i guess not all stereotypes are always wrong. But most are, and your bad for using them...

Quote:And the worst thing is? We're LAUGHING at you because you're threatening us with something that isn't even there. The bully you're hiding behind isn't real. To us, when you threaten damnation, you look as sad and pathetic as a guy trying to rob a bank with a water pistol. Your threats are literally empty and you degrade yourself and belittle your faith in making them.

we'll see... Isn't that right stimbo?

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(January 16, 2014 at 12:13 am)(╯°◊°）╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: The fact that hell exists as a threat means that even God understands that a relationship with himself isn't all its cracked up to be.

For once we agree completely.. The evidence shows that Heaven isn't all it is cracked to be. There are those who knowingly accepted eternal separation that spend an eternity serving God.

(Better rule in hell than serve in Heaven.) some of us were not meant to serve. That is why we have been given this life. So when we are sent to hell we know exactly why.

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(January 16, 2014 at 12:43 am)Esquilax Wrote:

(January 16, 2014 at 12:28 am)Drich Wrote: The above link is this whole passage in the Greek. In its alliterative form the passage can also read 'you will never be with out power or strength.' But again most bibles are direct translations, and do not typically lend themselves to commentary.

I'll just take your word for it, mostly because either way it's still not exactly accurate.

Quote:calm down I was just having some fun with the idea that you are going to burn forever sheesh...

Yeah, I don't find that funny.

Quote:They say never say never, I am saying I will never appeal to another God even if there is proof beyond proof (which by the way I wrote a thread or about 12/21/12) if Jesus is not God the. I do not want anything to do with whatever Heaven there is. There is not other God/circumstance I want anything to do with in this life let alone eternity.

So, you're essentially saying that no evidence will ever change your mind on this topic?

That's... ugh.

Quote:and if this 'dishonest lynchpin' belongs to Drich, but to God.. Then what? Will you debate Him on your judgement day?

If this is so, then it's just another way in which your god has rendered belief in him to be irrational.

Nothing this world can provide will ever convince me of anything, because the master of this world does not want us to seek or accept atonement. For example look at the rules of rational, logic, and even the greater appeal of 'science.' None of these schools of thought/data processing has any way to process data concerning God unless God can be defined by the finite means that define these 'learn-ed' ways of thinking. Do you see the paradox yet?

If say science or logic can produce a box and place it around known attributes of God test and expect to get a reproducible result then what is labeled to be God is actually bound by the laws of science or logic, and therefore not the alpha and omega... So anything we can 'prove' will be proved to be a false God..

Oh, and there is alot A lot of things I do not find funny that you guys post and have a good laugh about, some of it I roll with while other times I will speak out. Bottom line is if we are truly representing what we believe on this website, some one is going to get mad at some point. So ruffle your feathers if you must, and move on like I and everyone else who tows the line on this side of the fence is expected to do day in and day out.

(January 16, 2014 at 12:44 am)Drich Wrote: Nothing this world can provide will ever convince me of anything, because the master of this world does not want us to seek or accept atonement. For example look at the rules of rational, logic, and even the greater appeal of 'science.' None of these schools of thought/data processing has any way to process data concerning God unless God can be defined by the finite means that define these 'learn-ed' ways of thinking. Do you see the paradox yet?

Yes, the paradox is that you want people to see you as a sane rational being while you blissfully disown reason in solving the questions that matter to people the most. Ironically, you're left with a rather irrational point of view.

(January 16, 2014 at 12:44 am)Drich Wrote: Nothing this world can provide will ever convince me of anything, because the master of this world does not want us to seek or accept atonement. For example look at the rules of rational, logic, and even the greater appeal of 'science.' None of these schools of thought/data processing has any way to process data concerning God unless God can be defined by the finite means that define these 'learn-ed' ways of thinking. Do you see the paradox yet?

What does it matter? You appeal to the god of the gaps to maintain your faith, all the while saying that even if those gaps were filled, you wouldn't accept the evidence. Why bother? Why even come here? If you're just going to believe what you want to believe... what's the point? Nobody is going to sway you, and you're not going to sway anyone else with this profound, willful irrationality. You're just talking into a vacuum about things you believe simply because you don't want to stop.

Quote: If say science or logic can produce a box and place it around known attributes of God test and expect to get a reproducible result then what is labeled to be God is actually bound by the laws of science or logic, and therefore not the alpha and omega... So anything we can 'prove' will be proved to be a false God..

Two words: Jesus Christ.

If you're saying that anything that could be tested about god must, by definition, not be godly, then Jesus Christ could not have been god, because human beings are testable, and Jesus was reputed to be god in human form.

I cannot wait to see you backtrack on this claim.

Not to mention, you've got no way of knowing what you've just said to be true anyway: for all you know, maybe god is allowing us to test him because he wants us to get closer to understanding him in a scientific sense. By claiming what you have, you're presuming to know the mind of god, and that he could never possibly change his mind. But that can't be true, because you'll also make reference to how god made a new covenant with Jesus that invalidates the old testament, which is god changing his mind.

Quote:Oh, and there is alot A lot of things I do not find funny that you guys post and have a good laugh about, some of it I roll with while other times I will speak out. Bottom line is if we are truly representing what we believe on this website, some one is going to get mad at some point. So ruffle your feathers if you must, and move on like I and everyone else who tows the line on this side of the fence is expected to do day in and day out.

At this point, you have written three hundred percent more than I have about this thing. I'm essentially done talking about how unfunny I found that, now. Moving on.

(January 16, 2014 at 12:28 am)Drich Wrote: Who did you get your answer from?

If you examined a house down to the boards and beams and found nobody in it, who gives you the answer "nobody's home"?

(January 16, 2014 at 3:37 am)(╯°◊°）╯︵ ══╬ Wrote:

(January 16, 2014 at 12:28 am)Drich Wrote: Who did you get your answer from?

If you examined a house down to the boards and beams and found nobody in it, who gives you the answer "nobody's home"?

If you're merely looking at a large rock that is hollow inside, on what basis do you assume it is somebody's "house"?

(January 15, 2014 at 1:41 pm)Drich Wrote:

(January 15, 2014 at 1:29 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: That's not true at all. I followed the exact a/s/k method you described, because I was afraid I'd committed blasphemy and was seeking the love and forgiveness of the lord.

again if you did not find God and stopped Asking and seeking then you did not follow the model in luke 11. You may have very earnestly asked and sought, but you did not knock. 1/3 of everything Jesus has to say in that passage is on the importance of knocking. If you did not knock you did not complete the perscribed path. therefore you did not do it 'my' or rather God's way.

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(January 15, 2014 at 1:40 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: Right so Lemon failed because he stopped. If he had kept going it would have worked..... eventually.
Anyone reminded of that episode of the legend of aang with the fortune teller and the red shoes?

If lemon kept going more than likely he would have come to a point or a realization that his current model of faith was not valid, therefore putting him is a situation to question everything, (and hold on to what is good. ) which is what we are told to do in 1thess 5:21.
the other option is to question and dismiss everything you once believed, and never look at any of it again, or even to go as far as ignoring anything God may do for him in the furtue.

This is where the knocking comes in. If Lemon were to keep knocking (and holding on to what is good) He would slowly rebuild his faith on Christ, allowing him to open his eyes and ears to God.

As it is God answered his prayer and help him get rid of the toxic elements of his faith, all lemon (or any of the rest of you who were/are in his situation) has to do now is to be faithful to this 'rest' and start to build on the clean slate God gave him.

So basically a nom answer to protect your faith.