(January 16, 2014 at 10:24 am)là bạn điên Wrote: . I spent 2 years working for social services in south London essentially attending police stations as an appropriate adult for young offenders.Violent young thugs ALWAYS come from homes where children are hit

without a doubt, undisipline disipline (or emotionally driven non consistant disipline) will send a kid into a tail spin, but on the other end there has not been an american president to date that has not felt the sting of the rod (whether they endorse this form of punishment now or not, they themselves were focoused by this form of punishment.)

(January 16, 2014 at 9:12 am)Drich Wrote: Prov 13
24 He who spares his rod hates his son,
But he who loves him disciplines him promptly.

Prov 23
13 Do not withhold ndiscipline from a child;
oif you strike him with a rod, he will not die.
14 If you strike him with the rod,
you will psave his soul from Sheol.

Prov22
15 Foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child;
The rod of correction will drive it far from him.


Prov 20

30 Blows that hurt cleanse away evil,
As do stripes the inner depths of the heart.[d]

Prov 29
15 vThe rod and reproof give wisdom,
but a child left to himself wbrings shame to his mother.

(I've seen this one played out at the store a few times)

Plus if you do it right a few times when they are young (unless your son or daughter is working with a box of rocks for common sense) your word is all that is needed to make things happen.

You make my case better than I ever could. Persuasion, for fundamentalists, should be unthinking. Obedience is the goal, not understanding. Everyone should fall in line with the great chain of command. *holds nose*

My dad was a big believer in discipline for faults real and imagined. Not to the point where I was beaten senseless or anything, just trying to avoid spoiling the child, I guess.

It didn't make me respect him. He never got my respect until he earned it.

Treating children like they're stupid and inferior to you is a great way to ensure that they're going to misbehave. Again, you hit your kids because you failed to teach proper behavior by example when they were most impressionable and, like a good Christian, you're taking it out on them.

(January 16, 2014 at 11:27 am)whateverist Wrote:

(January 16, 2014 at 9:12 am)Drich Wrote: Prov 13
24 He who spares his rod hates his son,
But he who loves him disciplines him promptly.

Prov 23
13 Do not withhold ndiscipline from a child;
oif you strike him with a rod, he will not die.
14 If you strike him with the rod,
you will psave his soul from Sheol.

Prov22
15 Foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child;
The rod of correction will drive it far from him.


Prov 20

30 Blows that hurt cleanse away evil,
As do stripes the inner depths of the heart.[d]

Prov 29
15 vThe rod and reproof give wisdom,
but a child left to himself wbrings shame to his mother.

(I've seen this one played out at the store a few times)

Plus if you do it right a few times when they are young (unless your son or daughter is working with a box of rocks for common sense) your word is all that is needed to make things happen.

You make my case better than I ever could. Persuasion, for fundamentalists, should be unthinking. Obedience is the goal, not understanding. Everyone should fall in line with the great chain of command. *holds nose*

understanding of what? leftist propaganda? what are you looking to replace disipline with? The current philosphy that has our eastern 'allies' position themselves to take what our subsequent generations built for us?

This hippy philosphy is great if the world would adopt it, but the cold truth is why you let your gaurd down and teach your children to do the same Mama Fong stands over her kids with a stick, and smacks them when they make stupid calculus mistakes the other 9 years olds don't seem to have a problem with. In a global market who is going to be hired (who will be in a position to do the hiring) your hippy son who has a great live and let live life philosphy, or Mr.Fong who was over qualified for a given job when he was 15?

If the Mr. Fongs of the world hold all the jobs, then what will happen to the hippy sons and daughters who have adopted your philosphy? I guess that will truly be up to the Mr. Fongs of the world won't it. If it makes you feel any better From what I know of the culture our daughters will have an easier time finding a place in their soceity than our sons will.

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(January 16, 2014 at 11:32 am)(╯°◊°）╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: My dad was a big believer in discipline for faults real and imagined. Not to the point where I was beaten senseless or anything, just trying to avoid spoiling the child, I guess.

It didn't make me respect him. He never got my respect until he earned it.

Treating children like they're stupid and inferior to you is a great way to ensure that they're going to misbehave. Again, you hit your kids because you failed to teach proper behavior by example when they were most impressionable and, like a good Christian, you're taking it out on them.

2/3rds of the current world population does not seem to agree.
Maybe they are all wrong and the 5 to 10% who are falling by the way side are right.

Quote:Prov 13
24 He who spares his rod hates his son,
But he who loves him disciplines him promptly.

This is the excuse catholic priests use for not "sparing" their rods on little boys!

Oh I agree with you. If we're looking to raise rule-following cogs to serve our corporate needs then by all means don't spare the rod. Hell, give them a lobotomy and they'll be even more cooperative.

(January 16, 2014 at 12:06 pm)whateverist Wrote: Oh I agree with you. If we're looking to raise rule-following cogs to serve our corporate needs then by all means don't spare the rod. Hell, give them a lobotomy and they'll be even more cooperative.

indeed, but without rule following cogs to help not just our country but western soceity as a whole stay in a position of world power our philosphies and even our culture will be subject to those who do dominate the world... I grew up in a house hold that practiced eastern philosphy, and if you think your put off by how Christians do things... You are going to want to fight a war over what is to come... But that war will be over before it begins because again 10% of the population is fighting 2/3's of the world plus their allies.. This is the legacy we are leaving our children and our childrens children when they are not given the same conditioning the rest of the world is receiving.

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everyone can be a philospher. we need drones... or at least cylon type robots if we are to stay a world power. If we do not learn this lesson quickly with in a few generations we will all be drones of a different soceity

Ugg. I hate to say this but I partly agree with drich.

Obviously striking a child is something which can be poisonous bad if done for the wrong reasons, or in the way, or to excess.

But I don't think a slap across the back of the legs to reinforce a point is necessarily a bad thing, or child abuse.

The world teaches us that way. Touch a fire, or drink and drive, or start a fight, the world punishes you with pain. That's how we learn.

Society has become very good at standing between people and the consequences of their actions. Kids especially. And I'm not sure that's always a good thing.

If a young child reaches for an iron, or goes to run a road, or reaches for something dangerous we stop them. But explaining to a 2 year old that that pan of water would have scalded them does not capture the essence or communicate the gravity. They don't yet have the conceptual tools or comprehension. A smack across the legs does no harm and fixes the association between that behaviour and pain.

I don't think that's abuse.

(January 16, 2014 at 11:20 am)Drich Wrote:

(January 16, 2014 at 10:24 am)là bạn điên Wrote: . I spent 2 years working for social services in south London essentially attending police stations as an appropriate adult for young offenders.Violent young thugs ALWAYS come from homes where children are hit

without a doubt, undisipline disipline (or emotionally driven non consistant disipline) will send a kid into a tail spin, but on the other end there has not been an american president to date that has not felt the sting of the rod (whether they endorse this form of punishment now or not, they themselves were focoused by this form of punishment.)

So? What is so great about American presidents? you have just had two shit ones- Obama and Bush

(January 16, 2014 at 12:24 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: Ugg. I hate to say this but I partly agree with drich.

Obviously striking a child is something which can be poisonous bad if done for the wrong reasons, or in the way, or to excess.

But I don't think a slap across the back of the legs to reinforce a point is necessarily a bad thing, or child abuse.

The world teaches us that way. Touch a fire, or drink and drive, or start a fight, the world punishes you with pain. That's how we learn.

Society has become very good at standing between people and the consequences of their actions. Kids especially. And I'm not sure that's always a good thing.

If a young child reaches for an iron, or goes to run a road, or reaches for something dangerous we stop them. But explaining to a 2 year old that that pan of water would have scalded them does not capture the essence or communicate the gravity. They don't yet have the conceptual tools or comprehension. A smack across the legs does no harm and fixes the association between that behaviour and pain.

I don't think that's abuse.

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