(March 9, 2010 at 12:12 pm)Dotard Wrote:

(March 9, 2010 at 11:08 am)Soyouz Wrote:

(March 9, 2010 at 7:11 am)LukeMC Wrote: I wonder how the argument would go if there were several 'intelligent' species. "Look at how many intelligent species there are! What are the chances that 8 separate species all developped such high intelligence? God must exist for such a coincidence to take place."

^ This.

^ That.

^ The other thing.

(March 9, 2010 at 8:47 pm)AngelThMan Wrote:

(March 9, 2010 at 8:39 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I know plenty of people that said phrase can apply to.....especially if you add in "screw."

lol. I was talking about a species as a whole. Not individuals.

Nonetheless, you assert that because man dreamed up a god(s) to worship and wastes his time and treasure doing so that this somehow proves god exists.

The proposition is laughable.


Animals (we agree here) never bothered to invent gods....at least there is no evidence that they did. Unfortunately, and to humanity's great distress, man did.

Some animal has to be the smartest. I wonder why you assume it is man. You haven't provided evidence for God's existance, just argument and not very good argument at that.

(March 9, 2010 at 8:50 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Nonetheless, you assert that because man dreamed up a god(s) to worship and wastes his time and treasure doing so that this somehow proves god exists.

Maybe "man creating God" is the pinnacle of man's achievements in this area. You always go on about it's treatment as the whore of the world... but that's just part of the spectacle.

(March 9, 2010 at 9:05 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:

(March 9, 2010 at 8:50 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Nonetheless, you assert that because man dreamed up a god(s) to worship and wastes his time and treasure doing so that this somehow proves god exists.

Maybe "man creating God" is the pinnacle of man's achievements in this area. You always go on about it's treatment as the whore of the world... but that's just part of the spectacle.

What does man get for spending his life on his knees, Frodo? Animals are apparently much smarter. They keep eating, shitting and screwing and don't give a fig for any god.

You're quoting the bible at me now Min?

Animals do not build cities?

Ever see a termite mound? An ant hill? A bees nest? And so what? Humans don't grow big claws,
humans don't fly, humans can't breathe underwater.

Animals have no language?

Dolphins, whales. Fuck man, when a dog growls or whimpers he's speaking his 'language'. Most all animals have a "verbalization" of sorts. Their "language" may not be as sophisticated as humans, but could be argued a "language" in it's own rights.

I stopped reading right there. You're idealization of intellegence being the epitome of perfection is a silly argument to make.

(March 9, 2010 at 9:29 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: You're quoting the bible at me now Min?

If that's in there I guess so.

I can accept man has achieved dominance of sorts. It seems plausible though that this advantage saw exponential development once realised.

(March 9, 2010 at 9:31 pm)Dotard Wrote: Animals do not build cities?

Ever see a termite mound? An ant hill? A bees nest? And so what? Humans don't grow big claws,
humans don't fly, humans can't breathe underwater.

Animals have no language?

Dolphins, whales... when a dog growls or whimpers he's speaking his 'language'. Most all animals have a "verbalization" of sorts. Their "language" may not be as sophisticated as humans, but could be argued a "language" in it's own rights.

As I stated, different species of animals have individual traits of intelligence, but man has them all. The intelligent traits exhibited by animals are all geared towards survival. Man has a grasp of art, language and understanding like no other animal. Can we talk about the significance of man's superior intelligence rather than the limited intelligence of animals, please?

Quote:I stopped reading right there...

That's the problem. People love to post comments without understanding the whole argument. At least understand my argument before you oppose it.