(January 27, 2014 at 8:39 pm)KUSA Wrote:

(January 27, 2014 at 8:16 pm)EgoRaptor Wrote: Communism is nothing more than the abolition of private property. It is perfectly coherent.

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Socialism is the workers owning the means of production. Socialism isn't necessarily opposed to private ownership of the means of production. Some socialists like Benjamin Tucker superted preserving private property & merely redistributing it among the workers.

Why would you want to abolish private property?

So that everyone can have access to the means of production.

(January 27, 2014 at 4:01 pm)EgoRaptor Wrote: I can tell you how it must work. First it would be necessary to establish a temporary eugenics state, to breed individualistic people who will make good anarchists. Then can the project of anarchy begin. Everyone must be armed with the beat weapons in order to defend this society. Everything will at first be based off a free-market communist system. Over time the market will be abolished in favor of cooperative economics. The first task this society must undertake is the aggressive suppression of nationalism. All other countries must be conquered & made to accept Western & anarchist values. Only once the world has been made into a anarchist confederation can the project truly be considered completed.

Taking this in the order you presented it, a couple of questions.

First we must breed highly individualistic people. But then how do you force a single political philosophy upon such a group of individualists without many of them rejecting it? You would in fact need the exact opposite, blind followers, to accept one philosophy and carry it with such momentum to change the world.

How do you force anarchy upon someone anyways? Forcing anarchy upon people seems contrary to the idea of anarchism.

Also, all nationalism boils down to is basically excessive pride and unquestioning support of one's own country. And though you say you detest nationalism, you seem to be advocating for a kind of nationalist attitude for this anarchist confederation. That the people in this confederation should believe in it so much that they will blindly conquer the world for it, and those that are conquered by it, should then passively submit to it.

(January 27, 2014 at 8:43 pm)EgoRaptor Wrote:

(January 27, 2014 at 8:39 pm)KUSA Wrote: Why would you want to abolish private property?

So that everyone can have access to the means of production.

Tell me everything that you consider to be private property.

(January 27, 2014 at 9:08 pm)FlyingNarwhal Wrote:

(January 27, 2014 at 4:01 pm)EgoRaptor Wrote: I can tell you how it must work. First it would be necessary to establish a temporary eugenics state, to breed individualistic people who will make good anarchists. Then can the project of anarchy begin. Everyone must be armed with the beat weapons in order to defend this society. Everything will at first be based off a free-market communist system. Over time the market will be abolished in favor of cooperative economics. The first task this society must undertake is the aggressive suppression of nationalism. All other countries must be conquered & made to accept Western & anarchist values. Only once the world has been made into a anarchist confederation can the project truly be considered completed.

Taking this in the order you presented it, a couple of questions.

First we must breed highly individualistic people. But then how do you force a single political philosophy upon such a group of individualists without many of them rejecting it? You would in fact need the exact opposite, blind followers, to accept one philosophy and carry it with such momentum to change the world.

How do you force anarchy upon someone anyways? Forcing anarchy upon people seems contrary to the idea of anarchism.

Also, all nationalism boils down to is basically excessive pride and unquestioning support of one's own country. And though you say you detest nationalism, you seem to be advocating for a kind of nationalist attitude for this anarchist confederation. That the people in this confederation should believe in it so much that they will blindly conquer the world for it, and those that are conquered by it, should then passively submit to it.

It is not nationalism because the Anarchist Confederacy must span the world. Therefore it is the opposite if nationalism.

I suspect that all individualistic people will support whatever system best allows them to express their individuality. Anarchism is this system. They will of course all have different interests, fetishes, tastes & stuff, but anarchism is the only system that will allow them to express this.

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(January 27, 2014 at 9:17 pm)KUSA Wrote:

(January 27, 2014 at 8:43 pm)EgoRaptor Wrote: So that everyone can have access to the means of production.

Tell me everything that you consider to be private property.

Factories, farms, land.

Does it include everyone's house?

What about clothes ? Our own bodies?

(January 27, 2014 at 9:27 pm)KUSA Wrote: Does it include everyone's house?

That is a highly debated topic among communists. Some communists, like the Soviets, said yes. I would say no, your house is personal property & you should retain the right to it.

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(January 27, 2014 at 9:29 pm)BrokenQuill92 Wrote: What about clothes ? Our own bodies?

Those are personal property & thus you can keep those.

Anarchism
Belief in the abolition of all government and the organization of society on a voluntary, cooperative basis without recourse to force or compulsion.

Communism
A totalitarian system of government in which a single party controls state-owned means of production.

Seems to conflict to me.

(January 27, 2014 at 9:40 pm)KUSA Wrote: Anarchism
Belief in the abolition of all government and the organization of society on a voluntary, cooperative basis without recourse to force or compulsion.

Communism
A totalitarian system of government in which a single party controls state-owned means of production.

Seems to conflict to me.

You are redefining communism as Stalinism. Communism is merely the absence of private ownership of the means of production. Marx also said socialism would dissolve the state leading to communism (which is stateless). Anarchism is very similar to Marxism, just less rigid.

(January 27, 2014 at 9:54 pm)EgoRaptor Wrote:

(January 27, 2014 at 9:40 pm)KUSA Wrote: Anarchism
Belief in the abolition of all government and the organization of society on a voluntary, cooperative basis without recourse to force or compulsion.

Communism
A totalitarian system of government in which a single party controls state-owned means of production.

Seems to conflict to me.

You are redefining communism as Stalinism. Communism is merely the absence of private ownership of the means of production. Marx also said socialism would dissolve the state leading to communism (which is stateless). Anarchism is very similar to Marxism, just less rigid.

Do you have any examples of a successful Communist society?