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RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing
January 30, 2014 at 12:58 am
(January 29, 2014 at 2:45 pm)Godschild Wrote: God's love is unconditional, anyone who can't see that knows nothing about what scriptures say. Obedience is our way of showing our love for God. They understood that there was a consequence for disobedience and they were not playmates, if that's what God wanted He would have made them like robots that couldn't cause Him hurt, easy to understand really.
Do you even read what the fuck you write? "Consequence for disobedience" sure sounds like a fucking condition from here. 
In other news, a group of dusty ol' spiritual fucks sought to explain things like suffering, pain, and death so they spun up this loony tale. I mean, why is this even a question?
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RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing
January 30, 2014 at 5:30 pm
(January 29, 2014 at 11:50 pm)Esquilax Wrote: (January 29, 2014 at 3:12 am)Godschild Wrote: No way Adam could have committed those acts without first eating from the Tree, those are all evil acts and that kind of knowledge was not available to Him until after He had disobeyed God and ate from the Tree. The sin of disobedience had to come first.
GC
Entirely untrue: if he was incapable of committing evil acts, and disobeying god is an evil act, then there could be no fall in the first place because Adam wouldn't have been capable of disobeying god to eat the fruit.
So since your premise is invalid, please proceed to tell me how it's only a certain set of evil acts that were impossible to commit, based on no consistent criteria beyond what's convenient to your argument. Be sure to tell me how little I know of the bible when you do! 
Gladly, you know nothing of the truth of scriptures, how's that. You assume all sin is evil, the scriptures do not say this. There are evil sins but all sin is not evil. If all sin is evil then that would make you extremely evil and if you do not accept Christ into your life... well a true justice awaits.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing
January 30, 2014 at 5:33 pm
(January 30, 2014 at 5:30 pm)Godschild Wrote: ...and if you do not accept Christ into your life... well a true justice awaits.
The douchebag cannot stand alone, and thus must invoke a spiritual champion.
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RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing
January 30, 2014 at 5:38 pm
(January 30, 2014 at 12:58 am)houseofcantor Wrote: (January 29, 2014 at 2:45 pm)Godschild Wrote: God's love is unconditional, anyone who can't see that knows nothing about what scriptures say. Obedience is our way of showing our love for God. They understood that there was a consequence for disobedience and they were not playmates, if that's what God wanted He would have made them like robots that couldn't cause Him hurt, easy to understand really.
Do you even read what the fuck you write? "Consequence for disobedience" sure sounds like a fucking condition from here.
In other news, a group of dusty ol' spiritual fucks sought to explain things like suffering, pain, and death so they spun up this loony tale. I mean, why is this even a question?
The longer I'm here the more dense I see some atheist are. Parents have unconditional love for their children, yet they punish them when they disobey. As I said, obedience is our way of showing love to God, even when we disobey we are still loved, God loves you and He has put no conditions on that love.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing
January 30, 2014 at 5:50 pm
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(January 30, 2014 at 5:38 pm)Godschild Wrote: (January 30, 2014 at 12:58 am)houseofcantor Wrote: Do you even read what the fuck you write? "Consequence for disobedience" sure sounds like a fucking condition from here.
In other news, a group of dusty ol' spiritual fucks sought to explain things like suffering, pain, and death so they spun up this loony tale. I mean, why is this even a question?
The longer I'm here the more dense I see some atheist are. Parents have unconditional love for their children, yet they punish them when they disobey. As I said, obedience is our way of showing love to God, even when we disobey we are still loved, God loves you and He has put no conditions on that love.
GC
First of all, you ain't talking to no prophet.
Second of all, why you talking to me? Why the fuck do you think you can generalize atheists in the same league as a prophet of god?
Maybe we'll meet sometime. Have a talk...
OK, I'm better now, 
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RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing
January 30, 2014 at 6:43 pm
Gc.. im still waiting for evidence. Proooooof of ur god.. what does he look like?? Define him physically please.. please....
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RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing
January 30, 2014 at 8:28 pm
(January 6, 2014 at 10:21 am)themonkeyman Wrote: 1) Why did God not say that he would also curse all Adams future offspring to automatic eternal torture? And also how is it Just to place the sins of the father onto the son? I think the answer is dependent on whether or not you believe in some form of "might makes right" as a legitimate means of determining the morality of an action. Is god subject to the same rules and laws that he commands humans to follow on pain of death? If god is above any law and can act however he wants, then there is nothing unjust about the sloppy manner in which he acts in Genesis. If you believe that there are objective right and wrong --that an act is intrinsically right or wrong-- then god was wrong to do what he did.
themonkeyman Wrote:2) If there was no death then how would Adam know if it was a good thing or a bad thing. Adam would needed to have understood what death entailed e.g. Torture and then he would have made an unbiased decision. Well now you're getting into all of the questions and considerations that make the story of the fall of man so difficult to accept as anything but an ancient moral fable told by people who weren't terribly concerned about dotting their Ts and crossing their Is.*
*Yes, I wrote it that way on purpose. :p
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RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing
January 30, 2014 at 9:45 pm
Question: is it crippling mental handicaps or a poor understanding of one's native language that leads a person to think that 'unconditional love' exists in a being that sentences those who don't love him to an eternity of torture?
It's okay, you don't have to choose just one.
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RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing
January 30, 2014 at 9:58 pm
Quote: Up until this point the relationship was based on absolute love, then the fall and the end ie. death of a perfect loving relationship.
How come your fucking all-knowing god didn't know that things would turn out badly? Another little plot twist for you?
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RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing
January 30, 2014 at 11:33 pm
(January 30, 2014 at 5:30 pm)Godschild Wrote: Gladly, you know nothing of the truth of scriptures, how's that. You assume all sin is evil, the scriptures do not say this. There are evil sins but all sin is not evil. If all sin is evil then that would make you extremely evil and if you do not accept Christ into your life... well a true justice awaits.
GC
If god is supposedly all good, and sin is the opposite of god, then wouldn't all sin be evil?
How do you tell the difference between a neutral sin and an evil sin? What's the criteria, and where in the bible can reference to this be found?
The way you're phrasing it, it seems like sin is just a list of things your god doesn't like, and has therefore demanded the rest of existence must not do under threats, rather than a set of rules that actually have some purpose. What an entitled little twerp your god must be, in that case.
I also find it very interesting how your lot will excuse god's actions in the garden by saying Adam and Eve had free will, which allowed them to sin, but then you'll spin around and say that there was a set of evil actions that they absolutely could not do, thereby restricting their moral alignment.
Why, it's almost as if you're just making it up on the spot!
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