(February 1, 2014 at 9:58 am)whateverist Wrote: Like Christianity, feminism has its share of fundamentalists. It is always appropriate to point out the error of fundamentalists. Any right thinking feminist will welcome genuine critique even if they disagree. There is no righteous orthodoxy of feminist thought.

Also like Christianity, if you tell a fundamentalist feminist that she's a fundie, she simply points to another, even more exreme feminist and says "I'm not an extremist; that's an extremist!" And when you do find one who admits to being extremist, like Christians, they argue that their extremism is completely justified.

In my case, "radical feminist" doesn't tend to mean "feminist who is hostile to everything mainstream" but it does mean "feminist who doesn't like transsexuals." No matter how abrasive they are to everyone else or how angry they are, if they aren't transphobic, they won't call themselves radical feminists (or radfems).

(February 1, 2014 at 11:32 am)là bạn điên Wrote: Futile the winds.

I have successfully helped 3 lesbian couples through sperm donation over the past 2 years. Do you think they should be able to sue me for child support?

And, for the record, it's happened.

http://verdict.justia.com/2014/01/27/cra...ld-support

(February 1, 2014 at 12:30 pm)TaraJo Wrote:

(February 1, 2014 at 11:32 am)là bạn điên Wrote: Futile the winds.

I have successfully helped 3 lesbian couples through sperm donation over the past 2 years. Do you think they should be able to sue me for child support?

And, for the record, it's happened.

http://verdict.justia.com/2014/01/27/cra...ld-support

That's ridiculous; isn't the underlying premise of sperm donation that the donor waives all parental rights to the surrogate? This kind of double dipping bullshit is a really potent argument for getting everything very stiffly defined in writing before you start dumping your baby batter in someone you don't have any intention of parenting with.

(February 1, 2014 at 12:30 pm)TaraJo Wrote:

(February 1, 2014 at 9:58 am)whateverist Wrote: Like Christianity, feminism has its share of fundamentalists. It is always appropriate to point out the error of fundamentalists. Any right thinking feminist will welcome genuine critique even if they disagree. There is no righteous orthodoxy of feminist thought.

Also like Christianity, if you tell a fundamentalist feminist that she's a fundie, she simply points to another, even more exreme feminist and says "I'm not an extremist; that's an extremist!" And when you do find one who admits to being extremist, like Christians, they argue that their extremism is completely justified.

In my case, "radical feminist" doesn't tend to mean "feminist who is hostile to everything mainstream" but it does mean "feminist who doesn't like transsexuals." No matter how abrasive they are to everyone else or how angry they are, if they aren't transphobic, they won't call themselves radical feminists (or radfems).

(February 1, 2014 at 11:32 am)là bạn điên Wrote: Futile the winds.

I have successfully helped 3 lesbian couples through sperm donation over the past 2 years. Do you think they should be able to sue me for child support?

And, for the record, it's happened.

http://verdict.justia.com/2014/01/27/cra...ld-support

I have never under stood the reasons why many feminists are against transgender individuals. If anything I thought that feminists would support lbgt people even more seeing as how these people are still actively oppressed in some communities, especially transgender individuals.

(February 1, 2014 at 1:00 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: I have never under stood the reasons why many feminists are against transgender individuals. If anything I thought that feminists would support lbgt people even more seeing as how these people are still actively oppressed in some communities, especially transgender individuals.

I just think we need a finer brush. Not everyone who is interested in feminism is one dimensional and shrill. It's like Christians, you have to kiss a lot of sheep before you find a human.

(February 1, 2014 at 12:53 pm)Esquilax Wrote:

(February 1, 2014 at 12:30 pm)TaraJo Wrote: And, for the record, it's happened.

http://verdict.justia.com/2014/01/27/cra...ld-support

That's ridiculous; isn't the underlying premise of sperm donation that the donor waives all parental rights to the surrogate? This kind of double dipping bullshit is a really potent argument for getting everything very stiffly defined in writing before you start dumping your baby batter in someone you don't have any intention of parenting with.

I agree. However, the states can be a little crazy about grabbing up child support money. From what I've heard, they get money from the feds based on how much money they collect in child support, and since they want every penny they can get from the feds, they're going to take every penny they can conceivably get in child support.

I also suppose it's only fair to mention, I have NEVER heard feminism say anything about this issue. I'm not going to say feminism is automatically hostile to men, but it's going to be difficult to convince me that it really stands for equality while issues that predominantly effect men are ignored.

(February 1, 2014 at 1:00 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: I have never under stood the reasons why many feminists are against transgender individuals. If anything I thought that feminists would support lbgt people even more seeing as how these people are still actively oppressed in some communities, especially transgender individuals.

It started with Janice Raymond and her book The Transsexual Empire. She argues that our gender is entirely a social construct, created entirely by social conditioning from childhood. Since trans women, like myself, were raised to be male, our gender is still male. Furtherore, she claims we transiton so we can further possess women: so we can possess their bodies.

Since then, a lot of angry feminists have taken her word as truth in spite of the fact that scientific data strongly disagrees with them. Me, I think it's telling that so many transsexuals think her treatment of transwomen is wrong, but have no problem with the same hostility thrown at men.

(February 1, 2014 at 4:57 pm)TaraJo Wrote:

(February 1, 2014 at 12:53 pm)Esquilax Wrote: That's ridiculous; isn't the underlying premise of sperm donation that the donor waives all parental rights to the surrogate? This kind of double dipping bullshit is a really potent argument for getting everything very stiffly defined in writing before you start dumping your baby batter in someone you don't have any intention of parenting with.

I agree. However, the states can be a little crazy about grabbing up child support money. From what I've heard, they get money from the feds based on how much money they collect in child support, and since they want every penny they can get from the feds, they're going to take every penny they can conceivably get in child support.

I also suppose it's only fair to mention, I have NEVER heard feminism say anything about this issue. I'm not going to say feminism is automatically hostile to men, but it's going to be difficult to convince me that it really stands for equality while issues that predominantly effect men are ignored.

(February 1, 2014 at 1:00 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: I have never under stood the reasons why many feminists are against transgender individuals. If anything I thought that feminists would support lbgt people even more seeing as how these people are still actively oppressed in some communities, especially transgender individuals.

It started with Janice Raymond and her book The Transsexual Empire. She argues that our gender is entirely a social construct, created entirely by social conditioning from childhood. Since trans women, like myself, were raised to be male, our gender is still male. Furtherore, she claims we transiton so we can further possess women: so we can possess their bodies.

Since then, a lot of angry feminists have taken her word as truth in spite of the fact that scientific data strongly disagrees with them. Me, I think it's telling that so many transsexuals think her treatment of transwomen is wrong, but have no problem with the same hostility thrown at men.

Well I suppose that's what you get when your dealing in conspiracy theories like patriarchy.

(February 1, 2014 at 11:32 am)là bạn điên Wrote: Futile the winds.

I have successfully helped 3 lesbian couples through sperm donation over the past 2 years. Do you think they should be able to sue me for child support?

No, I don't think anything I have said implies that.

(February 1, 2014 at 12:53 pm)Esquilax Wrote:

(February 1, 2014 at 12:30 pm)TaraJo Wrote: And, for the record, it's happened.

http://verdict.justia.com/2014/01/27/cra...ld-support

That's ridiculous; isn't the underlying premise of sperm donation that the donor waives all parental rights to the surrogate? This kind of double dipping bullshit is a really potent argument for getting everything very stiffly defined in writing before you start dumping your baby batter in someone you don't have any intention of parenting with.

I actually have a contract where the non birth mother of the two indemnifies me against any child support so even if I am declared liable by a court then I can claim against her.

(February 2, 2014 at 1:46 pm)là bạn điên Wrote:

(February 1, 2014 at 12:53 pm)Esquilax Wrote: That's ridiculous; isn't the underlying premise of sperm donation that the donor waives all parental rights to the surrogate? This kind of double dipping bullshit is a really potent argument for getting everything very stiffly defined in writing before you start dumping your baby batter in someone you don't have any intention of parenting with.

I actually have a contract where the non birth mother of the two indemnifies me against any child support so even if I am declared liable by a court then I can claim against her.

I'd still be careful, your not just talking about court, your talking family court. And family court has a way of making men pay even when it seems illegal and unfair. Men pay child support for children they found out after the divorce were never theirs to begin with, so I wouldn't put much trust in the letter of the law there.

And this article with the craigslist sperm donor shows the double standard with men and women in family court. You would never EVER see the state try and force a surrogate mother pay child support to one of the parents that adopted the baby. EVER. Can you imagine the shit storm that would brew up if they tried forcing a surrogate mother to pay child support?

As far as criticizing feminism, I see nothing wrong with it. Your allowed to criticize any other philosophy or idea, why shouldn't you be allowed to criticize feminism as well? I don't tend to agree with feminism, not because I think it's hostile towards men but because I don't believe it is a movement that understands men and knows how to adequately defend them.

(February 2, 2014 at 2:14 pm)FlyingNarwhal Wrote:

(February 2, 2014 at 1:46 pm)là bạn điên Wrote: I actually have a contract where the non birth mother of the two indemnifies me against any child support so even if I am declared liable by a court then I can claim against her.

I'd still be careful, your not just talking about court, your talking family court. And family court has a way of making men pay even when it seems illegal and unfair. Men pay child support for children they found out after the divorce were never theirs to begin with, so I wouldn't put much trust in the letter of the law there.

And this article with the craigslist sperm donor shows the double standard with men and women in family court. You would never EVER see the state try and force a surrogate mother pay child support to one of the parents that adopted the baby. EVER. Can you imagine the shit storm that would brew up if they tried forcing a surrogate mother to pay child support?

As far as criticizing feminism, I see nothing wrong with it. Your allowed to criticize any other philosophy or idea, why shouldn't you be allowed to criticize feminism as well? I don't tend to agree with feminism, not because I think it's hostile towards men but because I don't believe it is a movement that understands men and knows how to adequately defend them.

Its the Uk -its different here.