(February 2, 2014 at 3:08 pm)là bạn điên Wrote:

(February 2, 2014 at 2:14 pm)FlyingNarwhal Wrote: I'd still be careful, your not just talking about court, your talking family court. And family court has a way of making men pay even when it seems illegal and unfair. Men pay child support for children they found out after the divorce were never theirs to begin with, so I wouldn't put much trust in the letter of the law there.

And this article with the craigslist sperm donor shows the double standard with men and women in family court. You would never EVER see the state try and force a surrogate mother pay child support to one of the parents that adopted the baby. EVER. Can you imagine the shit storm that would brew up if they tried forcing a surrogate mother to pay child support?

As far as criticizing feminism, I see nothing wrong with it. Your allowed to criticize any other philosophy or idea, why shouldn't you be allowed to criticize feminism as well? I don't tend to agree with feminism, not because I think it's hostile towards men but because I don't believe it is a movement that understands men and knows how to adequately defend them.

Its the Uk -its different here.

Well it looks like the only place I'll donate sperm is in the UK then.

Hear that 'muricans? No more baby batter for you! You guys blew it.

(January 31, 2014 at 9:53 pm)futilethewinds Wrote:

(January 31, 2014 at 9:50 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Straight out of the commu...sorry, feminist manifesto.
Wrong on so many levels, it hurts.

You seem to think communism is a bad thing. Obviously you've never seen later Star Trek TV series/movies, because their future society (on Earth and other Federation planets) is communist and they have achieved peace on Earth, and life is pretty damn good.

Did you seriously just use this as an argument?

(February 2, 2014 at 4:55 pm)Shell B Wrote:

(January 31, 2014 at 9:53 pm)futilethewinds Wrote: You seem to think communism is a bad thing. Obviously you've never seen later Star Trek TV series/movies, because their future society (on Earth and other Federation planets) is communist and they have achieved peace on Earth, and life is pretty damn good.

Did you seriously just use this as an argument?

Going trekky here, first off the ferderation is not communist as they have a elected government, unlike any communist nation in history. Secondly star trek is a work of fiction and is overly Idealistic at times.

(January 31, 2014 at 9:11 pm)futilethewinds Wrote: Well, feminism is the belief in equality for men and women. If you're not for the equality of men and women, you are by definition sexist. Misandry, by the way, is not feminism, even if it takes that name.

The definition of feminism depends on who you ask. The focus of feminism does tend to be on women's rights (i.e. elevating the rights of women to be equal to those of men). It rarely seems to focus on men's rights.

Even the word is more focused on women (fem/femin comes from the words female / feminine).

Add to that the fact that the word has been poisoned by various women's rights movements, and it's no wonder why so many are critical of it.

Hence why I advocate abandoning the word and using "egalitarianism" instead. At least from the get go, egalitarianism is about pushing for both women and men's rights.

(February 2, 2014 at 5:25 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote:

(February 2, 2014 at 4:55 pm)Shell B Wrote: Did you seriously just use this as an argument?

Going trekky here, first off the ferderation is not communist as they have a elected government, unlike any communist nation in history. Secondly star trek is a work of fiction and is overly Idealistic at times.

Democracy is not inherently counter to communist ideology. Just because it has not yet been done, does not mean it could never be done.

And I know Star Trek is a work of fiction.

No one said it could never be done. Someone put it in a negative light and you used two works of fiction to argue that it could work. That's like saying a time machine could work because The Time Machine. It's possibly the worst argument I have ever seen while still managing to be funny. No offense, really. It's just very, very bad.

That being said, communism is a heap of fucking dog shit. It has done absolutely fuckall to help anyone. It has a history nearly as bad and possibly worse than dictatorships. I might actually be hard pressed to find a difference.

(February 2, 2014 at 6:27 pm)Shell B Wrote: No one said it could never be done. Someone put it in a negative light and you used two works of fiction to argue that it could work. That's like saying a time machine could work because The Time Machine. It's possibly the worst argument I have ever seen while still managing to be funny. No offense, really. It's just very, very bad.

I think perhaps everyone else is taking this conversation more seriously than I. When I'm talking to an obvious troll, I'm not going to waste much effort, you know what I mean?

I don't think kilic is a troll. If he is, he has wasted an awful lot of time just to half ass troll.

(February 2, 2014 at 6:49 pm)Shell B Wrote: I don't think kilic is a troll. If he is, he has wasted an awful lot of time just to half ass troll.

Well, if he's serious he's an epic idiot or completely insane. Did you catch the thread where he said both white and black people were better off during slavery? Yeah. Either way, I still don't think I should take him very seriously.