naturalism demands that information originates from mindless matter, and the living from the nonliving; well of course this has never been demonstated and even fails on a thought experiment basis.

(January 24, 2014 at 9:28 pm)snowtracks Wrote: naturalism demands that information originates from mindless matter, and the living from the nonliving; well of course this has never been demonstated and even fails on a thought experiment basis.

in the field of synthetic biology the goal is produce non-natural artificial cells. the following shows that detailed blueprint information is required for creating these artificial cells. an example - a team of scientists (quantum chemists, molecular biologists, biochemists, etc) created a 'designer enzyme'. in the article ref. below - Houk's team of 30 computational chemists uses quantum mechanical calculations to explore chemical reactions with supercomputers. Quantum mechanics is the fundamental theory that can predict all chemistry. Houk and Baker's research groups have worked together for three years. Using algorithms and supercomputers, the UCLA chemists design the active site for the enzymes — the area of the enzymes in which the chemical reactions take place — and give a blueprint for the active site to their University of Washington colleagues. Baker and his group then use their computer programs to design a sequence of amino acids that fold to produce an active site like the one designed by Houk's group; Baker's group produces the enzymes.
copious amounts of information was used to construct this designer enzyme and the scientists (an intelligents) already had the blueprint; mindless matter can't do this.
http://www.outlookseries.com/news/Science/3203.htm -

(January 24, 2014 at 9:28 pm)snowtracks Wrote: naturalism demands that information originates from mindless matter, and the living from the nonliving; well of course this has never been demonstated and even fails on a thought experiment basis.

Cite the recorded and confirmed demonstrations of life originating from your specific god.

Besides, you believe in abiogenesis, you retard. Adam came from dust. God is not biological.

(February 7, 2014 at 1:59 am)snowtracks Wrote: copious amounts of information was used to construct this designer enzyme and the scientists (an intelligents) already had the blueprint; mindless matter can't do this.
http://www.outlookseries.com/news/Science/3203.htm -

Argument from ignorance, but then, that's hardly surprising from you at this point.

(January 24, 2014 at 9:28 pm)snowtracks Wrote: naturalism demands that information originates from mindless matter, and the living from the nonliving; well of course this has never been demonstated and even fails on a thought experiment basis.

Define 'information', and then defend it's use in that statement.

Also, in case you haven't noticed, that at base we are all non-living matter. Break as down far enough, to our basest components, and you will soon enough fail to see the forest of life for the tree of molecules and atoms. The current demarcation line for how we define life is the ability to maintain internal homeostasis, this is why even though viruses are made out of organic molecules they are not considered to be alive.

(February 7, 2014 at 6:39 am)EvolutionKills Wrote:

(January 24, 2014 at 9:28 pm)snowtracks Wrote: naturalism demands that information originates from mindless matter, and the living from the nonliving; well of course this has never been demonstated and even fails on a thought experiment basis.

Define 'information', and then defend it's use in that statement.

Also, in case you haven't noticed, that at base we are all non-living matter. Break as down far enough, to our basest components, and you will soon enough fail to see the forest of life for the tree of molecules and atoms. The current demarcation line for how we define life is the ability to maintain internal homeostasis, this is why even though viruses are made out of organic molecules they are not considered to be alive.

Define 'information', and then defend it's use in that statement. - mind is greater than matter. therefore matter can't originate mind.

(February 9, 2014 at 3:39 am)snowtracks Wrote: Define 'information', and then defend it's use in that statement. - mind is greater than matter. therefore matter can't originate mind.

How do you know mind is "greater" than matter, and for that matter, in what way do you mean "Greater"?

Hell, given that minds are dependent on matter even to exist, I would suggest to you that the reverse is true.

(February 9, 2014 at 3:39 am)snowtracks Wrote: Define 'information', and then defend it's use in that statement. - mind is greater than matter. therefore matter can't originate mind.

We're made from the exact same material stuff as the rest of the universe so it's perfectly possible. It doesn't mean the universe was created unintentionally though the logic doesn't necessarily follow through just because God didn't create life directly, he doesn't even do this Genesis he allows the Earth to bring forth, once you have a system that allows for the generation of life then you will have life.

(February 9, 2014 at 7:48 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: We're made from the exact same material stuff as the rest of the universe so it's perfectly possible. It doesn't mean the universe was created unintentionally though the logic doesn't necessarily follow through just because God didn't create life directly, he doesn't even do this Genesis he allows the Earth to bring forth, once you have a system that allows for the generation of life then you will have life.

So you're not a creationist?