(February 12, 2014 at 5:40 am)Alex K Wrote:

(February 11, 2014 at 1:37 pm)Godschild Wrote: You couldn't win a debate with one of my youth from church.

I highly doubt that your youth from church can do anything but to reproduce a few standard apologetic question-and-answer schticks full of loaded questions and ill-defined terminology, laced with a few lies about scientific knowledge. Plus some silly "gotcha" questions. If even people who are considered christian super debaters like WLC still rely on this mind-numbingly stupid Kalam argument, I don't expect your flock to do better.

Let them sign up here and prove me wrong.

They know of this forum and it's up to them and whether God would have them working here.

GC

(February 12, 2014 at 12:22 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(February 12, 2014 at 5:40 am)Alex K Wrote: I highly doubt that your youth from church can do anything but to reproduce a few standard apologetic question-and-answer schticks full of loaded questions and ill-defined terminology, laced with a few lies about scientific knowledge. Plus some silly "gotcha" questions. If even people who are considered christian super debaters like WLC still rely on this mind-numbingly stupid Kalam argument, I don't expect your flock to do better.

Let them sign up here and prove me wrong.

They know of this forum and it's up to them and whether God would have them working here.

GC

Meh, a little encouragement on your side could surely help. Tell them what nice people roam here

(February 12, 2014 at 12:22 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(February 12, 2014 at 5:40 am)Alex K Wrote: I highly doubt that your youth from church can do anything but to reproduce a few standard apologetic question-and-answer schticks full of loaded questions and ill-defined terminology, laced with a few lies about scientific knowledge. Plus some silly "gotcha" questions. If even people who are considered christian super debaters like WLC still rely on this mind-numbingly stupid Kalam argument, I don't expect your flock to do better.

Let them sign up here and prove me wrong.

They know of this forum and it's up to them and whether God would have them working here.

GC

Do you consider yourself to be working here?

(February 12, 2014 at 12:46 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: Do you consider yourself to be working here?

When you're doing God's work, you're doing God's work always, you can't help yourself.

(February 12, 2014 at 11:16 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: The design is good overall if it allows for freewill but it does bring evil, suffering and death into the equation. There were two trees in the Garden of Eden, The tree of knowledge is your freewill this brings sin and death and Jesus on cross is the tree of life this gives you salvation from sin and immortality. So if you put everything together you can see how the universe fits into the context of a loving God. You can see the creation as good and life/freewill as gift, not a gift that can be taken away.

The design might let evil in, but it also makes good to a standard that would make us safe impossible. If god's stated purpose was to save his creation, there's a much more straightforward way to do that, but it includes not winding the failure state around our existence.

I know you won't see it because... well, I won't be mean, but could you envision being involved in any other trial where the definition of "failure" is the same as "involvement"? All you've done is denied that this game is stacked against us, but fiat assertions in the face of... the facts of the game, aren't going to get you very far.

Quote:It's a lot better than the system you have in mind.

Now, is this the system I actually have in mind, and explained to you exhaustively in another thread, or is it the system you lied about me having in the same thread, and kept repeating your misrepresentation until I gave up explaining to you and just pointed out how disrespectful you were being?

Which system? The one I believe in, or the moral relativism one you're going to say I have, even now knowing that's not true?

(February 12, 2014 at 1:12 pm)Esquilax Wrote: The design might let evil in, but it also makes good to a standard that would make us safe impossible. If god's stated purpose was to save his creation, there's a much more straightforward way to do that, but it includes not winding the failure state around our existence.

If we were created instantly as physical immortal gods day one complete with freewill, if that's possible to do, we would probably end like the gods of Olympus at best. We would likely spend much of eternity trying to make existence as unpleasant for each other as possible while vying for domination and power over each other, casting vanquished foes into the depths of the Tartarus and so on. So that isn't an ideal model for eternal life. The sin element has to be factored into the equation if this going to work.

Quote:I know you won't see it because... well, I won't be mean, but could you envision being involved in any other trial where the definition of "failure" is the same as "involvement"? All you've done is denied that this game is stacked against us, but fiat assertions in the face of... the facts of the game, aren't going to get you very far.

There is a grand plan where everything will work itself out and we're part of that. We're not playing a game with odds stacked against us we're participants in an eternal dance at the centre of which is a man with holes in his hands and feet. That doesn't deny the suffering and hardship of life seeing as God experienced it himself as one of us.

Quote:Now, is this the system I actually have in mind, and explained to you exhaustively in another thread, or is it the system you lied about me having in the same thread, and kept repeating your misrepresentation until I gave up explaining to you and just pointed out how disrespectful you were being?

The system you have in mind is.



Seems a bit vacuous, there are people who aren't really enjoy their lives that's little bit a point to make. You go through all this business just to end up in the ground nourishing some fucking tree. Whats it all for? Nothing particularly really.

Quote:Which system? The one I believe in, or the moral relativism one you're going to say I have, even now knowing that's not true?

This would be the atheist system.

Why couldn't god be smart and give his only begotten horny daughter, then I would worship her....rrrrrrrrrr...

(February 12, 2014 at 7:26 pm)truthBtold Wrote: Why couldn't god be smart and give his only begotten horny daughter, then I would worship her....rrrrrrrrrr...

Ah but you won't be joking about this when your dead and you come to appreciate the full glory of the Lord and all that shit going down. You'll be like this

I doubt that huggy bear!!

(February 12, 2014 at 7:35 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote:

(February 12, 2014 at 7:26 pm)truthBtold Wrote: Why couldn't god be smart and give his only begotten horny daughter, then I would worship her....rrrrrrrrrr...

Ah but you won't be joking about this when your dead and you come to appreciate the full glory of the Lord and all that shit going down. You'll be like this

You have no more evidence to support this absurd claim than the Hindus do of their multiple gods and animal reincarnation.
If there is any justice in this world, they could be right and you could easily end up the asshole of a pig.

Your old fucking book of lies means nothing to us and your self-righteous threats of hellfire by proxy are as stupid and pointless as your daily worship to a phony god.