(February 13, 2014 at 2:11 am)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: And to expand on that, Christ's salvation isn't really all that appealing if you have enough of a brain to think about the implications. It's no small wonder that the vast majority of Christianity's growth has been through violence and indoctrination. If it was legitimate, neither of these things would be necessary.

The other part of that growth, of course, comes from the apologetic, interpretation approach; one of the only things keeping the bible so palatable is the constant move away from the spirit of the words in it by preachers and those desperate to ignore the atrocities therein.

To a christian, the bible is something to be fled from at top speed, as much as it's something to be embraced.

(February 12, 2014 at 4:11 pm)Tonus Wrote: It certainly is interesting that just after commanding them not to kill, god gives the Israelites a list of things that they can kill people for doing. Then later he promises to give them a homeland of their own... if they kill or enslave the current tenants (unless they are virgin girls). Only religion could make rape seem like a better option.

God promised the land long before the Ten Commandments.

GC

(February 14, 2014 at 2:34 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(February 12, 2014 at 4:11 pm)Tonus Wrote: It certainly is interesting that just after commanding them not to kill, god gives the Israelites a list of things that they can kill people for doing. Then later he promises to give them a homeland of their own... if they kill or enslave the current tenants (unless they are virgin girls). Only religion could make rape seem like a better option.

God promised the land long before the Ten Commandments.

GC

Yeah.. he promised alot.. and still has not come thru..
first 4 of the commandments are garbage..

(February 12, 2014 at 4:16 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Very strange. I mentioned elsewhere that if he wanted to give them land, you'd think he'd give some uninhabited land that they wouldn't have to shed blood for. Can you imagine some loyal Yahwist traveling the desert for forty years, then being told he has to fight for land that he was told would be "given" to him, and dies in the ensuing battle?

Why shouldn't He give them the land He wants to?

GC

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(February 14, 2014 at 2:37 pm)truthBtold Wrote:

(February 14, 2014 at 2:34 pm)Godschild Wrote: God promised the land long before the Ten Commandments.

GC

Yeah.. he promised alot.. and still has not come thru..
first 4 of the commandments are garbage..

Only to the ignorant.

GC

(February 14, 2014 at 2:34 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(February 12, 2014 at 4:11 pm)Tonus Wrote: It certainly is interesting that just after commanding them not to kill, god gives the Israelites a list of things that they can kill people for doing. Then later he promises to give them a homeland of their own... if they kill or enslave the current tenants (unless they are virgin girls). Only religion could make rape seem like a better option.

God promised the land long before the Ten Commandments.

GC

So he promised the land to the other people first? Doubtful, otherwise they would have just left and the Isrealites wouldn't have to fight. I still think it's stupid to tell people thta you rescued that now they have to fight and die for their new land instead of just giving them other land. I'd say it's just a group of people that needed new land after getting kicked out of their old land, not "freed" by a deity, and they decided to start worshiping a Canaanite war god to try to take other people's land.

This whole exodus story doesn't really hold water any better than the other stories.

GC ur morally BANKRUPT!! U try to justify shit that is so ridiculous and off the wall.... u believe in fairy tales... I have some elevator socks im trying to sell... or rock salt that u can POUND!!!

(February 12, 2014 at 4:11 pm)Tonus Wrote: It certainly is interesting that just after commanding them not to kill, god gives the Israelites a list of things that they can kill people for doing. Then later he promises to give them a homeland of their own... if they kill or enslave the current tenants (unless they are virgin girls). Only religion could make rape seem like a better option.

Really hilarious that these are the beliefs of the "without God, there is no morality" types.

The usual response is "Oh, that's the OT God: You know, before he went to Anger Management."

I might be able to believe that he improved himself morally in the thousand years between the torah and New Testament bible, but this guy is supposed to be perfect, and the very definition of what is good and righteous in the universe. You can't just ignore the old testament, unless you separate Jesus as much as possible from Yahweh. Something they obviously didn't do, since he's supposed to be either the always loyal son of Yahweh, or just Yahweh in human form. He's not even that much better either, with claims like thinking something is the same as doing it, and that you shouldn't prepare for the future because the world is going to end very soon.

(February 14, 2014 at 2:34 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(February 12, 2014 at 4:11 pm)Tonus Wrote: It certainly is interesting that just after commanding them not to kill, god gives the Israelites a list of things that they can kill people for doing. Then later he promises to give them a homeland of their own... if they kill or enslave the current tenants (unless they are virgin girls). Only religion could make rape seem like a better option.

God promised the land long before the Ten Commandments.

GC

It's a fairly safe bet that neither the promise nor the attack happened.

Of course, that always brings up the question of why judeo-xtian asswipes are so proud of the genocidal maniacs portrayed in their big book of bullshit.

(February 14, 2014 at 2:44 pm)Chad32 Wrote:

(February 14, 2014 at 2:34 pm)Godschild Wrote: God promised the land long before the Ten Commandments.

GC

So he promised the land to the other people first? Doubtful, otherwise they would have just left and the Isrealites wouldn't have to fight. I still think it's stupid to tell people thta you rescued that now they have to fight and die for their new land instead of just giving them other land. I'd say it's just a group of people that needed new land after getting kicked out of their old land, not "freed" by a deity, and they decided to start worshiping a Canaanite war god to try to take other people's land.

This whole exodus story doesn't really hold water any better than the other stories.

Your thoughts about them worshiping a Canaanite war god has no historical acknowledgement, even though you do not accept the Bible as holding history many non-believing archaeologist believe it contains accurate history. Just exactly what land would God have given them, the known world was populated.
God promised this land even though at the time it was populated, the scriptures tell us this. God was punishing those who occupied the land because of their worship of false gods and a lot of that worship had child sacrifice going on. The Israelites were to wipe the land clean so they would not be influenced by these false religions. They didn't and thus the OT turned out to describe the punishment of Israel for their disobedience, they were removed from the promise land for not obeying, just as Adam and Eve was removed from the garden for their disobedience. Jesus is the reason the Israelites have returned to the promise land and the reason Christians will be allowed back into the garden.

GC

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(February 14, 2014 at 2:56 pm)truthBtold Wrote: GC ur morally BANKRUPT!! U try to justify shit that is so ridiculous and off the wall.... u believe in fairy tales... I have some elevator socks im trying to sell... or rock salt that u can POUND!!!

Go away stupid.

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(February 14, 2014 at 3:31 pm)Chad32 Wrote: I might be able to believe that he improved himself morally in the thousand years between the torah and New Testament bible, but this guy is supposed to be perfect, and the very definition of what is good and righteous in the universe. You can't just ignore the old testament, unless you separate Jesus as much as possible from Yahweh. Something they obviously didn't do, since he's supposed to be either the always loyal son of Yahweh, or just Yahweh in human form. He's not even that much better either, with claims like thinking something is the same as doing it, and that you shouldn't prepare for the future because the world is going to end very soon.

You misunderstand what Christ said, plain and simple, try reading it again and see if you can be responsible enough to yourself to find the answer.

GC